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The Rise in Americans Renouncing Citizenship

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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because the only people renouncing citizenship are wealthy tax dodgers who have the resources to do so. pauper or billionaire i will never leave my home state . i am a north carolinian first ,love americans not america.




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by OldCorp
Cowards run. Patriots stand and fight for what they believe in. Good riddance.


This tired line?

No offense pal, but what exactly are *you* doing to fight as a "patriot". In the case, what are you doing to stop one of the complaints mentioned in this topic, the aggressive worldwide tax policy of the IRS. Are you fighting that? Are you fighting anything?

No one is doing a damn thing, you are sitting on your ass like everyone else because if you make too much of a fuss you'll end up dead or in jail.

If someone wants to leave the US and live their life in peace elsewhere, then so be it. Good for them. They are going off to live their short lives without any goons making them feel miserable for it. The complete opposite of a coward.

You know what a coward does? They sit around and take it.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by TKDRL
I have been contemplating renouncing my citizenship a lot lately. It's not an easy decision at all...


I don't want to sound callous,but imagine being a citizen of North Korea,or Uganda? There are worst places in the World,to be a citizens of. Some places you don't get a chance to NOT be a citizen.


Really dude.

What is that even supposed to mean anymore? Don't leave the United States, because North Korea sucks and you should be proud you're not one of the worst examples in the entire world.

Is that a country song?

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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The problem is who do you fight ? Are you standing on American soil or UN soil when it comes down to it .America is changing to Socialism/Communism or Feudalism via Soros and the Global bunch.This has become a government of the Bankers and by the Bankers .The United Nations instrument Agenda 21 that Obama signed is changing America forever . If you going to fight the assault has been launched against America a long time ago . It seems that we are we are waiting until we see the white of their eyes but these shady characters are wearing sunglasses . Unaware you have become the enemy of the State by seeking to preserve the American dream .



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
I have been contemplating renouncing my citizenship a lot lately. It's not an easy decision at all...


For what reason would you leave? This is going to be worldwide really soon, running will not save you unless you can live off the land.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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This has become a government of the Bankers and by the Bankers


Oh i wouldn't worry about them, the Whore that rides the Beast will be dealt with in due time.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
One question... What does taxes have to do with anything? If you are working in another country, the US government has no claim on your income, the government of the country you are living in does. They wouldn't even know you have an income, unless you were transferring it to a US bank, which would not make much sense to do if you are living in another country.


Apparently it is an American Law - even if you live and work in another country, if you are an American citizen they tax you - so your income is taxed twice. That's why American or dual citizens are getting rid of the American citizenship - so they don't have to pay taxes twice. This is what I get from the whole issue.

Can someone clarify on this?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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That's news to me if it is true. Been in Canada for about 5 years now, never had the IRS try to contact me so far. If they did, I would just laugh and throw the paper away. I make my money in Canada now, said money stays in Canada, so IMO the US government has no jurisdiction over it. That is an insane policy to have if it's true... I can see if you live somewhere else, and still do business in the US or have a company HQ still in the US or something.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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The North American Union will put you back in America one way or the other .



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Please elaborate ! I thought the Great whore was greed .



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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Please elaborate ! I thought the Great whore was greed .


The whore is the system we have right now, the elite rule, the lions of the world. The lambs suffer at the hands of the lions. Merchants, bankers, corporations and the politicians and lawmakers and rulers and all the other things that rule this world that they own. Money rules this world, the God who is named Dinero, Moolah, the Almighty "Dollar". In the end the lions shall lie down with the lambs and eat grass and no more will they prey on the meek. The Beast she rides is the empire of capitalism, who make a religion of obtaining money to the point they crush the weak under their jackboots.

You know where to look for the answer
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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I will admit that I've considered it.

America is turning into a scary place.



Where ya gonna go?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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The reason that this money has not been released is that that country is so riddled with corruption that if we release the money in the way that countries leaderships system that the leadership has created by their own Nations laws...the money would be stolen and the people who need the monetary relief for re-construction...would never get it.

Even food shipments were confiscated by so called Island Goverment Food and Relief Distribution Agents...were never distributed and many World Media Reporters have videos of huge stacks of USAID food sacks cashed at multiple secret locations where people have to PAY high prices for food that was donated by the U.S.

When the U.N. attempted to get permision to send in troops to distribute aid such as food and water and all other types of aid packs including medical supplies and clothing...that government REFUSED! Even their neighbor...the Dominican Republic...has suspended much of what they are sending for aid.
Split Infinity



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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point of note:

it costs a lot of money to renounce your citizenship



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by martianboy
 
I will admit that I've considered it.

America is turning into a scary place.



I got the impression you have been stationed in Germany for many years now?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by SyphonX


Don't leave the United States, because North Korea sucks and you should be proud you're not one of the worst examples in the entire world.



Well,there is NO utopia on this Planet. NO Country is perfect. That's not hard for you to wrap your mind around,is it? America is better then North Korea. Period. I would love for you to provide me proof,that North Korea is a shining example,that ALL Nations,should follow. Waiting patiently........




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by martianboy
 
I will admit that I've considered it.

America is turning into a scary place.



Where ya gonna go?

Back home. America. But I've thought about it, most certainly.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by martianboy
 
I will admit that I've considered it.

America is turning into a scary place.



I got the impression you have been stationed in Germany for many years now?

Actually just a year and a half.
Why?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Elentarri
 


That's news to me if it is true. Been in Canada for about 5 years now, never had the IRS try to contact me so far. If they did, I would just laugh and throw the paper away. I make my money in Canada now, said money stays in Canada, so IMO the US government has no jurisdiction over it. That is an insane policy to have if it's true... I can see if you live somewhere else, and still do business in the US or have a company HQ still in the US or something.


You really might want to look into that more.


As an American citizen earning money in another country, you are still required to FILE taxes, not necessarily pay them. You would likely have to pay if you had earnings in a US-based account or earned money working for a US country abroad, or earned over a certain amount ( i dont recall, but it's over 100k i think.)

Although i cant find the article at the moment, i remember the US announcing they would begin going after Americans in Canada who are nt filing.

Which is why people might want to renounce their citizenship. Although that in itself costs a few thousand if i recall correctly.


business.financialpost.com...



The United States is one of the only countries to tax its citizens on income earned while they’re living abroad. And just as Americans stateside must file tax returns each April – this year, the deadline is Tuesday – an estimated 6.3 million U.S. citizens living abroad brace for what they describe as an even tougher process of reporting their income and foreign accounts to the IRS. For them, the deadline is June.

For those wishing to legally escape the filing requirements, the only way is to formally renounce their U.S. citizenship. Last year, IRS records show that at least 1,788 people did, and that’s likely an underestimate. The IRS publishes in the Federal Register the names of those who give up their citizenship, and some who renounced say they haven’t seen their name on the list yet.



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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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ahhh...

Let them go.
Seriously, Who cares?

Meanwhile back at the ranch. Obama and company continue the fiscal hemorrhaging




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