Originally posted by vicnc2012
Can't afford to work really!!!!!!!!!! It must be nice to have that problem, if your mate makes that much money why in hell would you, it is best for you to stay at home anyway and concentrate your efforts on rasing the kids so they will grow up to be productive human being with compaasion love and respect instead of letting some stranger you don't know do all the work; unfortunately must americans do not have the options.

not really....
when my kids were little, we lived in a small town, there weren't that many jobs to begin with. once the kids grew up some, I got a job, about 30 minutes away. and I really didnt make that much money. when they were small, it would of literally cost us more than I would have made. not that we didn't need for me to work, but well.....it was literally a losing propositon!

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
People bring this on themselves. people should Not have children if they first do not sit down and figure if the can actually afford children or not.

Having a kid is like buying a brand new top of the line RangeRover, Jaguar, Mercedes Benz etc but with a longer, more expensive payment plan that can either fluctuate or skyrocket at the drop of a hat.

If your not 100% sure you can afford this and give the kid the best education and world skills it needs to not only survive but thrive, you have no business having a kid. This would keep 50 % of us from having them, yet we and our world economy would all be a lot better off.

I see people all of the time who started off with 100% ability to be able to afford having a baby, then BOOM something happens and the husband is out of work, or the wife loses her job. Happening every day to people who start off on the right track.

Then, life throws something at them. No one can be completely and totally 100% certain that life will never throw something at them. You can have your plan A, B, C, and then some all worked out and every one of them fail.

The one thing I agree on is, when you are living on welfare, cannot pay your bills, cannot keep a job, or have bad health that is going to affect everyone's lives, then no, children should never be brought into the mix on purpose.

Its sickening...too many people work just to pay bills...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are an idea of the past.

It amazes me how quick people are to judge. "well you should have never had kids in the first place" REALLY? That's your answer? So many people lose their jobs every day. So many fathers and even mothers walk out on their families every day.

Not only that, but it's really irritating that several of us have stated that we are stay at home moms because it makes since financially AND that we are NOT on welfare. That's mostly what the article was about, and still people keeping coming into the thread without reading the article or the previous comments and chiming in with "You shouldn't have had kids you lazy welfare moms!"

I don't think this thread was about moms complaining and begging for welfare. It was about the fact that it's sometimes a smarter choice financially for a mother to stay home with the children while the father works outside of the home, if it is a two parent family.

Don't you think it's odd that Romney is abdicating mothers to work instead of stay home with their children when his own wife was a stay at home mom? I think there is an underlying message here that he is trying to present which is that poor single/married women should work, not understanding the catch 22 of the situation. I remember when Oregon did a ditty in the paper about 15 years ago trying to get low income mothers to work. Only thing is, the low income subsidies would have to be reimbursed out of their paychecks. So, let's break it down, a common scenario. Bob and Mary get married right out of high school and had three children in four years. Bob has an affair and moves out with his no-good home wrecker. Starts drinking and doing drugs. Starts working at the 7-Eleven as a part time clerk. Of course Mary is awarded child support in family court but it is based on Bob's income. She get's a measly $150.00 a month child support. Now Mary thinks she should get a job. Her current situation is that her apartment rent ($600.00/month) is paid by low income housing, she gets food stamps of $450.00/month and part of her utilities are subsidized. Medical and Dental services for her and her children are provided by the state. She also receives a grant of $200.00 a month to cover utilities and extras.

Now why would she take the part time job at Starbucks when she would run in the red, have less food, no medical or dental? It's odd that Romney would preach "get a job" when there are very few jobs around to obtain. Maybe he forgot to look at the unemployment levels.

p.s. Not everyone has a WILLING family member to move in with, especially in the US where families seem to be shrinking. Some have no external family.

I don't think only people who "can afford it" should have children. As others have stated we should all be able to exercise our ability to procreate. At this point in my life I'd love to be thinking about having a baby with my man.

But honestly, I'm struggling with the whole concept. The thought of bringing my innocent, beautiful little baby to this ****hole planet to survive the way we currently do fills me with terror. I would have to stay home with him or her at least while they are young, and I'd have to do home-schooling at least until Junior High. The thought of raising another mindless consumer is completely abhorrent to me.

This is an interesting "trend". Maybe we'll start seeing families going back to a more traditional arrangement where one parent works (usually the husband), and the other stays home and raises the kids (usually the wife)? I see this as a good thing. It's not healthy for a kid in it's early years to barely see mum and dad because both of them are always at work.

I don't have any statistics to back it up but I feel that society as a whole started to decline when dual income families became the norm. Kids were basically left to fend for themselves and there was less "family time" being spent forming a bond with your children and teaching them manners, right from wrong, preparing healthy meals, socialising etc.

4:20 at my house? I didn't understand that.
I am hearing a lot of people say that only the well off and secure should have children.

To me that is a dangerous way of thinking. That's really- to me- saying only the rich are good enough to have kids.

Now, I live a fairly traditional female role and like it, but I have heard a lot of men talk about women "pushing out pups" or "welping a liter" and all sorts of terms that imply that breeding women are animals.

Same men condemn muslims for the way THEY treat their women. "Why they treat them women like they no better than dogs."

When motherhood becomes the target of all the "They're taking our jerrrrrrrrrrbs," ...jobs, money, just resources in general- man, our society is sick. We've started to act like we are starving to death and fighting for the scraps.

Is that how we really want to be?

Looks like TPTB need to make a decision.

Do they want more slaves right now, or more slaves for the future? They cannot have their cake and eat it too...