Man Killed During Initiation at Masonic Lodge

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posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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and that's great for you. But there are lots of people like you. So in effect, you are part of a group that doesn't like groups.


Back to my question, do you believe in God?




posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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what exactly makes freemasonry cultish


I'll put a nice list together so it can be discussed as a whole. If I start listing things off the top of my head, it will start to become choppy and incoherent.

In relation to the Op, the ritual that killed this man can be considered a cult ritual. It was designed to elicit an emotional response and I don't believe that the person who fired the gun wouldn't have had a choice to turn down his active role in this hazing ritual. This is just speculation on my part though, so I'll hit on concrete examples when I return with my list.
edit on 9-5-2012 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Indeed. But, that was not a Masonic ritual in the least. That was a group outside of lodge, formed and operated separately. The only thing is that it was a group masons acting foolishly, and look where it got them. Now they are no longer a lodge.

Using the OP as an example is automatically flawed, because it has no relation to true Masonic ritual. It's an example of dumbassery, masons or not.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Back to my question, do you believe in God?

That's neither here nor there, but I'll answer you anyways.
No. I believe that there is a creative energy in nature. Does it belong to one great being? I don't believe so.
I believe it is a collective spiritual energy and not just one all encompassing power.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Even if this tragic situation did not happen in an actual Masonic lodge, I think we can all safely assume that their little club was loosely based on Masonry and its rituals. No?



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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no. It may have had rituals, but they have nothing to do with masonry. Nowhere in masonry is a gun used. And we do not try to make anyone feel nervous. This whole thing is just a stupid mistake that happened in a Lodge.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Nope. That's not a fair assumption to make in the least. Freemasonry doesn't use hazing as a part of its ritual at all. The degrees of blue lodge masonry are allegorical lessons involving symbols and experiential initiations, none of them I would consider a hazing trial. Freemasonry isn't a college fraternity.

The only relation that can be drawn is that this was a group of masons. They were obviously doing things in a way that has nothing to do with actual Masonic ritual. This appeared to be a social club, with a stupid initiation.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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That's why I said "loosely".
As discussed earlier, Masonry associates itself with swords, not guns. This group obviously decided that guns were more appropriate for their initiations.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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We use rituals to teach lessons. Everything revolves around the Bible and God's word, but it isn't religious. (I know that's hard to understand, but it's very factual.) It seems that in your eyes, any group that uses ritual is a cult. If that is incorrect, please explain.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
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That's why I said "loosely".
As discussed earlier, Masonry associates itself with swords, not guns. This group obviously decided that guns were more appropriate for their initiations.


I think we associate more with compasses, squares, and levels..... But swords are pretty cool. Tyler's get to have one.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Freemasonry doesn't use hazing


I apologize for using that term.
For the situation in the Op, I would consider that hazing because they wanted to create fear within the soon-to-be member. In regards to Masons, I would use the term initiations.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by W3RLIED2

Originally posted by Afterthought
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That's why I said "loosely".
As discussed earlier, Masonry associates itself with swords, not guns. This group obviously decided that guns were more appropriate for their initiations.


I think we associate more with compasses, squares, and levels..... But swords are pretty cool. Tyler's get to have one.


I guess the group in the Op wanted to make sure the guy had the stones to be a member.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Right, and they are two very different things.

Anyway, how are we a cult again?



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Anyway, how are we a cult again?

Patience, patience.
Like I said, I'll create a list and come back to discuss.
It's been nice chatting with you, but my dog is ready for his ritualistic evening walk by the lake.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Haha, sweet.

Look forward to more later.

Travel safe.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by reitze

Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
not very many people have an understanding of what freemasonry is all about but for those that do this is pretty crazy.
They should be forced to reveal their initiatic teachings to the courts and unravel the mysteries behind the secret brotherhood.
So we can all share in the knowledge.
Knowledge is power!
www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Yea I seriously doubt it was an accident. More likely a reluctant recruit unwilling to swear his soul to the devil.




Second Video regarding Satanic Masons and Mormons is very misleading and inaccurate in it's assumptions and interpretations regarding Mythology and Symbols and should be disregarded as the sensationalist BS it is.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
As discussed earlier, Masonry associates itself with swords, not guns. This group obviously decided that guns were more appropriate for their initiations.


And this group and the lodge that they belonged to are no more as it should be for their idiotic actions.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Afterthought
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Anyway, how are we a cult again?

Patience, patience.
Like I said, I'll create a list and come back to discuss.
It's been nice chatting with you, but my dog is ready for his ritualistic evening walk by the lake.


And what cult is rover a member of?



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Perhaps "Rover" is a follower of the "Dog Star" Isis and worships in ritualistic form by raising his leg and peeing on the Whispering Sycamore Tree of Hathor - Oh I forget Hathor apparently is a consort of Satan acccording to the video - Thus making poor "Rover" A "Hell Hound" relative of Anubis - It all makes sense now or perhaps not.



posted on May, 9 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Lol.

Or maybe rover just had to take a piss.





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