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I have first-hand knowledge that no plane crashed into the Pentagon

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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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reply to post by Alfie1
 


who was there the day after to try and help everybody then? don't be vague. and don't be shy.




posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by hmmmbeer

Originally posted by shortsticks

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by crankyoldman
 


No one needed to be told any official story. The days events unfolded before our very eyes.
I dont know about you but I never left the TV screen for more than a few minutes that day. I wasnt 'fed" an official story, I watched it.


and yet you weren't there. in any of those places.


And most importantly you did not see a plane hit the pentagon. You were TOLD one did, with no supporting evidence.
You watched the towers collapse (all THREE) at freefall speed - impossible without preplanted explosives. You were told a bunch of fairy tales.
Open your mind a little, visit a few web sites, such as those created by engineers, pilots, scientists, architects that have open minds and question the OS.
Have you seen the early photos of the pentagon - before the floor collapse? Explain to me how a Boeing made a tiny hole with no damage where the wings and engines (6 tonnes each!) would have been. Please explain that.


nah man, they'd rather nitpick at the little holes in my story, so they think. in the end, I win.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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Where's your again ? We have only your words. Do you have a picture of yourself on site ?



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by shortsticks

and yet you weren't there. in any of those places.


Nor were you, for that matter.

We've no other 'proof' other than 'your word' ... which has long since been demonstrated to be questionable at best and most likely nothing more than farcical nonsense on the whole.

Anyone 'called up from Langley' to do/be CISM at a scene the likes of the Pentagon strike would certainly be more forthright and professional in their replies to those questioning their claims and assertions. No? ?
?

That's the klink and kicker in exposing this as being nothing short of a big pile of self-aggrandizing B.S.

Good luck with that. You've since gone from your 'slip' showing to your knickers and more being in plain sight for all to see.

It'd be funny if it weren't such a sad display of the obvious being obvious. :shk:



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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the only thing I have is my access badge at the time, but I'm sure you'll try and cast that in some doubt too.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by shortsticks
you haven't been paying attention. are you asleep at the wheel for all these years? same way there's a wallet from one of the alleged terrorists. this is derpy-elementary stuff, if you don't mind my saying. which you probably do. no one continues to post to something they find unreasonably delirious, even the super mod can attest to that fact.


I see you typing but you aren't saying anything.
Other than ranting like some kid on 4Chan.
Nice one /b/rother.

In any case it seems you've answered my question.
You have no way to explain away any of the photographic evidence.
Because if you did you would of done so.
Since you were there. According to you.

Which I seriously question.
And I also would like to know what branch of the service you are in. If you really are in the military.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by shortsticks
reply to post by Alfie1
 


who was there the day after to try and help everybody then? don't be vague. and don't be shy.


You think I hung around for 24 hours waiting for late shows after my experience and losing my sponge. Are you crazy ?



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by crankyoldman
 


No one needed to be told any official story. The days events unfolded before our very eyes.
I dont know about you but I never left the TV screen for more than a few minutes that day. I wasnt 'fed" an official story, I watched it.


With all due respect, the story of the entire event came fully complete within 24 hours, which, included what you watched - what you saw was recorded. The hijackers, the passport, the heroic passengers, the heartbreaking phone calls, the OBL connection, followed by a remarkably quick attack on a country that had nothing to do with it - individuals did it according to the story and not a country. All that was a package, as opposed to a 400 meter track race at a local high school you are seeing yourself with not go between.

So whether you like the idea of the official story or not, you could not have "seen" what you saw unfold were it not an official story, as it came with commentary, explanation and a complete package what was then added too, but never refuted at any point. Remember, the government has the ability to prevent things from being shown, they also have the ability to alter what is being shown or heard - 5 second delay and an FCC controlled system. They let you see what you saw, and only the same sequence over and over.

There are very few experiences you have had where there was not an official story: school sees mostly to that. Case in point; there is an official story of where the moon came from, you have to first PROVE that story false before you are allowed to know something other then the official story. Left to your own devices, the story of what happened in any given experience would be very different depending on your point of view, but with an official story, all points of view are the same.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Annie Mossity

Originally posted by shortsticks

and yet you weren't there. in any of those places.


Nor were you, for that matter.

We've no other 'proof' other than 'your word' ... which has long since been demonstrated to be questionable at best and most likely nothing more than farcical nonsense on the whole.

Anyone 'called up from Langley' to do/be CISM at a scene the likes of the Pentagon strike would certainly be more forthright and professional in their replies to those questioning their claims and assertions. No? ?
?

That's the klink and kicker in exposing this as being nothing short of a big pile of self-aggrandizing B.S.

Good luck with that. You've since gone from your 'slip' showing to your knickers and more being in plain sight for all to see.

It'd be funny if it weren't such a sad display of the obvious being obvious. :shk:




yep, you weren't there. you keep showing it. why bother? if you were there or had something to stop me in my tracks you'd have provided it already. as it is, you haven't, and can't. sorry, bub. you're an idiot. it's okay tho. the world needs you.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by shortsticks

Originally posted by trebor451

Originally posted by shortsticks

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by shortsticks
 


Hey- maybe this will help your credibility - where was this debris pile located? I mean there are thousands of photos of the Pentagon the day after maybe we can all see this debris pile. And if the pile is off-site than I am sure there will be reports of truckloads of materials being hauled away on the night of 9/11/2001.


the debris collecting point was located on site, just off to the left a few hundred meters from the main area of interest as it were. no one could see it of course, it was enclosed. for good reason. this was a security issue. of course they didn't consider that someone wishing to help the state of mind of those actual persons collecting the debris would eventually rise up and turn against them.

Still no one else there but me on this forum? why should I humor any of you poor chaps any longer? I mean, seriously. Because they know I can shoot them down in the blink of my eye. There are details that only those there would know, nothing you can find on a google search. Hate to say it, but yes, I win.


Bullshi*. Pure and utter Bullshi*. The collection site was over in the north section of North Parking and anyone driving past on Rte 27 could see it, clear as day. I drove past it at least a couple times a week for months after 9/11. I worked at the time in Crystal City, a mile and a half away from the building. The Navy unit I was attached to as a reservist, up until the previous January, was the Navy Command Center, which lost 30-someodd personnel in the impact. The CO of the reserve NCC unit (who was in the building when it was hit and does indeed have "first hand knowledge" of an aircraft hitting the building, not second or tertiary "opinion") asked me to come back on active duty for a few months to help set up the NCC's IT capability up in an interim space at the Navy Annex.

Your claims are pure bullshi*. T'would be in your best interest to just stop right now and go away. Your story is silly and, to be honest, pretty lame and ridiculous, and you've established your troll credentials without question.


So I take it you went inside like I did? you're so full of lame I don't know where to begin. But you have come the closest, so I'll give you that. I wonder why they didn't trust you to see everything, or that you didn't care to. No big surprise there.


Hold on there, who didnt trust whom to see everything???? This guy says he drove past the site a few times a week. He didnt say he worked the site did he ? He says he was asked to return to active duty. He didnt say that duty was at a collection site. You read more into his statement then is actually there.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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I'm sure there's a way to block unwelcomed posters, but I don't shy away from confrontation. And it just shows how worthless they are. Besides, they could say that I just block them because I'm not of a calibre to deal with the facts. But I am, and it's they who have a hard time with them thar facts...



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by grey580

Originally posted by shortsticks
you haven't been paying attention. are you asleep at the wheel for all these years? same way there's a wallet from one of the alleged terrorists. this is derpy-elementary stuff, if you don't mind my saying. which you probably do. no one continues to post to something they find unreasonably delirious, even the super mod can attest to that fact.


I see you typing but you aren't saying anything.
Other than ranting like some kid on 4Chan.
Nice one /b/rother.

In any case it seems you've answered my question.
You have no way to explain away any of the photographic evidence.
Because if you did you would of done so.
Since you were there. According to you.

Which I seriously question.
And I also would like to know what branch of the service you are in. If you really are in the military.


were you ever in the military? doubt it. then stfu.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by shortsticks
reply to post by Alfie1
 


who was there the day after to try and help everybody then? don't be vague. and don't be shy.


You think I hung around for 24 hours waiting for late shows after my experience and losing my sponge. Are you crazy ?


what do you mean by losing your sponge? haha, it's just your wording is kind of ironic to my personally!



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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It's pretty obvious the fireball was from fuel, not a warhead. It was massive too.

idk why people think it would be such a bfd to crash a jet into a building, If it either it was hijacked, remote piloted or whatever. Makes more sense than the other nonsense I hear.

Mind you, I'm a recently converted truther, but I'm sure we saw what we saw on 9/11. Also, fwiw, my structural and building background assures me the loaded planes in NY were more than sufficient to drop those building. Yeah, steel melts TO A LIQUID at 1200f, but it WEAKENS way before that.

9/11 was a sham, of course, but you're all wasting time with the wrong issues.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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Again you can't carry on a lucid conversation if your life depended on it.

And last time I checked I don't have to be in the Military to ask a question.

You are a rude and arrogant troll.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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uuuum,for the record,that wheel in the picture isnt even the wheel that would be on said plane,so those pics are irrelevant.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by shortsticks
yep, you weren't there. you keep showing it. why bother? if you were there or had something to stop me in my tracks you'd have provided it already. as it is, you haven't, and can't. sorry, bub. you're an idiot. it's okay tho. the world needs you.


It's a bit difficult to stop in it's tracks that which is being made up on the fly.


The obvious is obvious. Your intent and purpose are clear.

Carry on ... as you most certainly will. :shk:



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by crankyoldman

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by crankyoldman
 


No one needed to be told any official story. The days events unfolded before our very eyes.
I dont know about you but I never left the TV screen for more than a few minutes that day. I wasnt 'fed" an official story, I watched it.


With all due respect, the story of the entire event came fully complete within 24 hours, which, included what you watched - what you saw was recorded. The hijackers, the passport, the heroic passengers, the heartbreaking phone calls, the OBL connection, followed by a remarkably quick attack on a country that had nothing to do with it - individuals did it according to the story and not a country. All that was a package, as opposed to a 400 meter track race at a local high school you are seeing yourself with not go between.

So whether you like the idea of the official story or not, you could not have "seen" what you saw unfold were it not an official story, as it came with commentary, explanation and a complete package what was then added too, but never refuted at any point. Remember, the government has the ability to prevent things from being shown, they also have the ability to alter what is being shown or heard - 5 second delay and an FCC controlled system. They let you see what you saw, and only the same sequence over and over.

There are very few experiences you have had where there was not an official story: school sees mostly to that. Case in point; there is an official story of where the moon came from, you have to first PROVE that story false before you are allowed to know something other then the official story. Left to your own devices, the story of what happened in any given experience would be very different depending on your point of view, but with an official story, all points of view are the same.


ahhhh! yes! yes~~ yes~! when it comes time, the military assumes/controls all the airwaves. 9/11 was just an exercise. sorry, but it's true. they assume control of everything. they feed to CNN or FOX or whatever the video they want you to see. doesn't matter if the guy was startled from an explosion, not an aircraft approaching. what they want you to believe is from the plants, that an aircraft came careening out of nowhere and hit the buildings. sorry, we ain't stupid. they want us to remain stuipd like all you stupid fu***, but we ain't. that's why they haven't implemented ML. because the avereage redneck dumshi* is armed to the teeth, and to try and take away our constitutional rights will have a bullet through your brain.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by majestik0223
reply to post by grey580
 
uuuum,for the record,that wheel in the picture isnt even the wheel that would be on said plane,so those pics are irrelevant.




That's not what aerospace engineers say :-

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