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Such simple questions you make me work since I can never give a simple answer lol, freeman on the land is covered in the first link of Patriot miss beliefs, a freeman yes, the magna carta yes I know well of these.
Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful, or alternatively as opposing authority and hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations. Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical voluntary associations.
Using the definition above, NO NO NO, we fully support the State ie Country the de jure/of right government when you begin to understand verbiage as it pertains to law you will see things more clearly.
In over 35 years Nationals have been in the UNION, nor in the 15 years PAC has been correcting status has there ever been a single arrest. I live in the Country of Florida, though I could open carry by right, we go in peace since Florida has done away with open carry though that is under review and may change back to allow open carry we chose to maintain the peace this is just another reason why in all these years State Nationals are respected as well as being lawful. Unlike these morons running around claim they are sovereign.
We never go to court once your status is corrected any issues that may arrive is handled through paperwork, we can NOT go to their courts except in cases for example murder/rape ext.. since they have zero jurisdiction over us. Supported by the Attorney Generals of each Country in my case Florida a simple phone call to the AG and everything is taken care of no problem.
I have a paper on taxes, taxes will take another full thread to fully understand all the issues pertaining to them, and is such a small part those in the movement for only that reason we shy away from for liberty and freedom supersede anything that has to do with taxes.
We deal with mom and pop stores and like everyone should be doing staying out of the bigger stores like Wal-Mart and Target, this is good for the local economy and you can also contract with local stores and do away with even that small 6 percent charge we barter when ever possible and do our best to not use FRNs. Silver, gold and money orders are the preferred method of exchange. There are very few things you will ever need to go to a store for, we teach you everything from contracting, alt power, aquaponics for food, we even have instructors in sewing needle work and so much more. Once you have everything in place you will find you work less have more time with family and more money to spend overall. It is a new life style takes years of study it is easy to get out but just as easy to make a mistake putting you back under their jurisdiction. Status is a one time shot if you mess up your done, not PACs rules but the laws of congress so you want to make sure you learn and do everything right the first time. Remember you have the unlimited right to contract and that is how we do business.
Hope that helps remember we are rebuilding our local communities I have several papers on my blog to read over anytime at www.drmeola.blogspot.com I highly recommend looking over community survival article and SS examined to answer more of your questions.
what i'm getting at is 'is one prepared to spend vast amounts of time and possibly resources delving into all the laws of the uk from the establishment of the magna carta up to present day to avoid any connection with the state?'
avoiding taxes and fines will lead to warrants unless one is 100% watertight with the information to build a case for rebuttal. it takes expensive lawyers in specialised fields to get a handle on the issues at hand. the other option is to pile the law books up on ones desk and hack away. to ignore a warrant or summons will lead to further punishment.
it would be a fantastic outcome if clifford,hayes or any of the other 'off the grid types' supplied a complete pdf on the matter. why aren't they presenting a definitive guide? do they indeed have a roadmap of procedures to negate court action and social responsibility or is this just a case of inviting as many protestors to the chambers as possible in order to bring the proceeding into disrepute?
the individuals around my locale who are obsessed with this cannot present to me any solid evidence that they can jump off this system. it is quite amusing when all three were ranting away and some simple questions are answered with 'look at this utoob vid, look at that utoob vid, you'll get the idea.'
bottom line imo is that any attempt to get off the grid in the uk is next to impossible unless you know a network of farmers or similar that will allow you to work, crash in the barn and feed you without anyone batting an eyelid as to who you are and what you are doing.
this uk corporate structure has far more resources than most of us put together and if only the boys could come up with a pdf that held the possibility of making change, that would be interesting.
We seem to be of the same thoughts on most cases, I only wish there was more help we could give but our primary studies is the laws of the U.S. in many cases both yours and ours are similar in nature. Here even if one expatriates to another country outside of the Union they still maybe taxed for up to 10 years on income after doing so. Also taxes is a small part here in the U.S because most people from middle class on down get more money back then they ever pay in plus entitlements such as SS, Food Stamps, Welfare of all kinds so most citizens are paid slaves. Chattel property.
Not really in a country area or city I live kind of in the middle in a development and know all my neighbors and the kids with in population around 200 give or take, but we are only a few miles from main street in one direction and a few miles from the big stores in the other. We do live in a house and not apartments with a 1/4 acre on average so we have room for many things. It is like you say especially on alt energy issues harder in a city setting. Here we have well and septic that alone is a big advantage over anyone whom has to pay the city for water and sewer.
We are in support of the de jure Republican form of governance this is the common law ONLY and have a ready well regulated State/Country Militia as it was in the beginning.
We are far from compliant, we just deal with things a little differently. State Nationals never fear prison or jails of any kind for the simple fact THEY have NO jurisdiction over us except for cases of capitol offenses such as murder/ rape ext... State Nationals as a Society with many members SNs or not, if one was to be jailed for some reason that within 24 hours the place would be filled with mass supporters and lawful paperwork to have that person released immediately, but this has never happened to date.
I wish all of us no matter where we may live the best of luck on our journey's to freedom and liberty.
Looked into that case you linked unfortunately he has already take the clean house deal and moved out, he has to wait and hope for a class action to come about, this has happened to a lot of people in the past couple of years.
No problems with up scale around my little section and the Villages as it is titled in also about out of room to expand. Many States mainly in the South have been fighting for freedom ever since the so called Civil War, some are more freedom minded if they are small the larger the populace in an area the more you see the Police State taking shape.
Agreed that small government always gets big but it is also true that the biggest of governments also fail ie Rome, U.S will be the next empire to fail/fall. We are here to help pick up the pieces if there are any left.
The farm idea is covered in my community survival article on my blog, plus my County is considered the horse capital of the world so plenty of farms some within walking distance and just next door I have access to my neighbors citrus trees that I am very grateful for. A close friend of mine located in another state has a 250 acre farm that we have set up as a safe house for when the SHTF, with cattle, cows, chicken and plenty of greens, fish and wildlife. So for me am as prepared as one could be if/when the man comes calling just pray it never comes down to it.
They have tried in some areas of the UNION to outlaw food growing of your own but not with much luck the people will never put up with that crap and they have backed off, just have to follow for non-state nationals the codes and make sure you do NOT sell, even given it away could in some places get you in trouble and that is nuts, the charge they put on you is by your actions the local farm markets business has been hurt since the good you gave for free would have been purchased and their for by your actions has done harm to the local economy. Bunch of horse # but that is how they keep the pressure on, so just have to be careful it is easier to give away illegal drugs then food, we call them the food police when citations are given for this reason. But lawfully it is a code and enforceable whether one agrees with it or not, and luckily its only in a few counties around the Union.
Dang mee30 I say those things to people all the time, A big city trucks in a large portion of their goods such as food, clothing ext....so it will be difficult to become independent especially since the water and sewer is controlled by the system.
You could get together with others of like mind buy a good amount of land everyone working together but the key is to evenly divide that land into equal parts among the investors as to NOT look like some sort of religious cult but more like the original colonies. This is good idea for those in the UNION not so sure how much land you have in your area to do something like that. It is always better to get out of any big city in my opinion it is a trap with few exits if/when the SHTF.
If your truly looking just to get out you may be able to get around the passport issue, one idea again not sure I would look into a one way passage on a cruise ship forgot what the term is called but its cheap (port relocation) I think its called, anyway get on a ship if you have the funds, get over into Ireland or any place one way, from there get another to the America if you cant get a one way directly here, I think this can be done without passport. You can also look for private ships/boats and secure passage with one of them, if the will is there, there is always a means. In most cases a passport is used really to get into a place not leave. You will have to do some research on that on your end its just an idea. Best of luck. And if you real just want out screw them get the dang thing come over legally even if you have to get a round trip ticket just never use it to return and get lost in the Union like so many others have done over the years.
You could go to a U.S Embassy and speak with them sure they could help you defect as well then when you get here you will not be here unlawfully. Just a couple of different options again I know little about your governmental laws, have not been back to London myself since the 70s it was beautiful back then, but wouldn't catch me dead there now.
However you are correct in the fact that if the military police power come rolling down your road they will not be checking paperwork before opening fire upon citizens, so what's your point.
Second though not sure you just might be an agent provocateur if not sure what that is look it up.
I hide nothing and answer all questions to the very best of my ability does this mean I am right all the time, no way, however all documents are there for you to study and research for yourself FREE of charge.
I would not open carry since the citizens are not use to seeing this sight in some time since Florida changed its open carry laws, again that is under revue it has nothing to do with being afraid of the officers or the need to push my right to do so. We do NOT obey any corporate statue private laws except those we choose, and that is why we will NOT help correct just anyone how asks for it. Because we surely do not need people whom want to go use their full power of status running around trying to take over the government trying to become the next elitist and causing/forcing their hand in total take over locking everyone up in FEMA camps.
PAC does have a textbook NOT required but recommended and can be purchased on line for a donation of 35 dollars or from another whom is selling the book often for 25 dollars again this is NOT required and most of the books are all printed in house the cost is to cover the paper and ink to print it with only pennies of profit per book. The bulk sales, block of 10 books sell for 22.50 per book and that is why we sell them at events for 25.00, yep sounds like we are getting rich doesn't it. However this will be the best investment in ones education they could ever make.
So as you can see no excuses only truth and facts as it applies in law. Oh and the PROOF is in every pdf with footnotes law book definitions and court cases if they apply for anyone to look up and verify as I recommend everyone to do. If something is an opinion it is clearly stated as such.
So nice try playing at a distracter but you will quickly learn no PAC member will ever avoid any request for information or hid anything, (except our process) for the reasons mentioned earlier. We have been around close to 15 years with zero complaints or issues and no one else in the freedom movement can claim the same. The reason simply is because we do it the only lawful way passed by congress prior the 14th all others are workarounds none of which has any standing in today's courtrooms.