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10+ Reasons Not To Re-Elect Obama

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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It doesn't matter who is in office, the president has no power. He's the face for whomever runs this place and the fall guy.

Politics crack me up, people keep expecting change and it never happens. Look up the definition of Insanity and you'll get your answers.

The fact that people blindly are bound to parties is comical. Ok I'm a republican so no matter what the issue i'm on their side. LMAO can you see how dumb this is....

Your vote does not count at all, its just a poll to see how we think about the issues they present on predetermined questions fed to them.

If you really wanted to make a change, don't vote at all for the predetermined puppets they placed in front of you. Did you vote for the candidates to even run? NOPE like I said its such a farce, but it has amused me

Peace and Health to all




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Toolatetotalk
I know reply was less than constructive.

If I wasn't supportive of Obama and I wanted to offer a reason to not vote for him in November it wouldn't be the ten listened above. When Obama wins in November he will be facing the same obstacles he had in his first term. BUT I think the Republicans in general have upset to many of their voters and are likely to lose the House Majority. Which means no more road blocks or obstacles in his way. So the majority of his second term is likely to be with the support of both houses.

On the flip side he won't have anyone else to blame if something goes wrong.



I am a Republican and I will admit that freely. I live in a primarily republican state and I will say that you are wrong. In now way are Republicans starting to lean the other way. If anything from my point of view things like Obamacare, Fast and Furious the Arizona border deal and others are causing Dems to slip the other way just to get him out of there. The deal with the Russian Prime Minister really didn't help that either. There is too much uncertainty with Obama and as has been proven he has spent more in his term than anyone in history and unemployment numbers are still ridiculous and look better than they should because of those who have just stopped looking, gas prices are through the roof and companies are still unsure about spending money which leads to a complete stall in many industries and I happen to have worked in a couple of those industries that are still struggling. Things are not going up, not sure they are going down but they are obviously stagnant and there is no help in site. So think what you want, and saying he will get re elected like it is a certainty wont make it so.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Everyday when I come on ATS all I hear is Obama bashing over and over again. Every American president has turned his back on the American people at one time or another, but the vitriol for the president are at levels unseen in modern times. WHY? If you say it is bcause he is black you say it is race baiting, democrat you playing paritsin politics. Your answer is he is a socialist where is the proof what law has he signed to prove he is a socialist? The health care law some will say, but insurance companys stand to gain from the this with little or no burden to the american tax payer. Another one is he is working for the boogie man (illuminati) but no has proof that he has ties to the illuminati, to the contrary they hate him ask dick cheney, bill clinton, israel, banks, wall street. The President is a puppet for the powers to be and I get that, but this one is different being he is black, I know with your superiority complex you can not see this. Take a look at MSNBC and see how often they bring up the Clintions and the good ol' days, and question of will Hillary run in 2016 and will Obama make her VP, will he get Bill to campaign for him; my point being he has never had the hearts and mind of his own party he won because of young people , blacks, latinos, and the educated. The Party wanted Hillary and still do that why they bring up the Clintions every week. However you may feel about the healthcare bill where was the support from his own party on this I didn't see them in the streets pushing this idea helping the country understand the bill they helped corrupt it on purpose.
Obama is just like Brown vs The Board of Education, Civil Rights Act an illusion that America has change so it claim the moral high ground to create destruction around the world. Obama hasn't fail America, we have failed Obama, instead writing evil and nocontstructive thoughts how about coming up with some solutions to the problems. Leaders can only lead when people follow no one has followed so how can he lead. All everone on here is doing is adding to the power of the illuminati. The President can not pass laws, recieve money for war without the approval of congress, you are focusing on the body of goverment, the power lies in the HOUSE where bills are created and die. The enemy is John Boehner and Harry Reid who both work together to push foward THE NEW WORLD ORDER. THE MEDIA WANTS YOU TO FOCUS ON OBAMA AND AVIOD BOEHNER AND REID. YOU ARE A SLAVE BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW THE ORDERS BASH OBAMA AND FOCUS HIM WHILE THE LAW MAKERS AND WRITERS GO UNSCATHED!!!!!



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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And here are my replies to your replies



economies collapse when money stops moving. spending the money actually helped slow and reduce the economic decline. also, most of that money was spent by bush, but kept off the books, like the wars and and the prescription plan.


What makes you think if the government did not spend the money, the money would not be spent? The government spends money that rightfully belongs to citizens. If they didn't have the money, the citizens would. Now who knows how to spend your money better, You or the Government? This is how a free market works, the people spend their money in pursuit of their own interest and every exchange is mutually beneficial or it doesn't occur. Why should the government gamble with our money?

Do you not realize that the debt is the reason we are in so much trouble? We got into trouble by deficit spending so somehow we need more deficit spending to get out of trouble? Care to explain or point to a single point in history where deficit spending got a country out of recession? The opposite is true in every instance. What you responded with was a myth with no historical context or facts of support.



this is no different than "enemy combatant laws". look them up and youll see that only the president can label someone an "enemy combatant" and it can be anyone for any reason.


I am not sure what point you are trying to make? Yes, I know, I don't like this hence why it was on the list.



all presidents must make concessions


Are you kidding me? Obama had the chance to kill the patriot act and he didn't. I don't really care for excuses.




name one "declared war" since wwii


I can't and I see that as a problem. The difference with what Obama did, not that anyone else declared a war but Obama didn't even consult congress, he just did it. Atleast previously congress was consulted and gave an OK. Obama took orders from the UN and did it without consulting the congress. This is a big deal. Do you not see the difference?




john adams, 2nd president and founding father, madated all sailors pay into a gov health fund


Yes, all SAILORS. Not all people... The historical record makes it clear that it was not adopted under the General Welfare Clause, but was considered a constitutional regulation of foreign commerce precisely because it targeted directly workers involved in navigation. These are not the same thing.

It was adopted during the Napoleonic Wars, when the U.S. was trying to protect our shipping from measures taken against it by France and Britain and when there were increased risks to American seamen. Again, this suggests that it was a measure passed under the Commerce Power in facilitation of navigation. I am a History major so please don't try to pull that crap with me.




better drones than soldiers, and innocents always die. its called collateral damage.


How about we just stop killing innocent people. Does calling it collateral damage make it moral? We are killing innocent people via remote control. This is a bad thing.




no answer for this one


Now your starting to get it, the fact that he publicly denounced SOPA but only a few days later SIGNED ACTA shows you who this man really is.




not ordered by obama, just on his watch. like iran contra under reagan and plame under bush.


Holder was appointed by Obama and is under the direction of Obama. I don't let Bush or Reagan off the hool and I am not going to let Obama off the hook either. The responsibility is at the top were orders are given. Holder planned the operation under the direction of Obama. Obama is his boss. You do things under the direction of you boss do you not? that is how the employee boss relationship works. Even if Obama had nothing to do with it, why has he not fired Holder?




under bush


And Obama. Bush is not the only person to preside over bailouts.




saved the companies


And why is that a good thing? Companies are not to be saved by the government. This is a FREE MARKET not fascism. If my company fails should I get a government bailout? What makes their company more deserving of my tax money then my company? This is simply morally wrong, ends do not justify means.



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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
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Oh look. GOP talking points! Useless drivel.

Obama will win in landslide. Deal with it.

Obama 2012



LOL... that is about the level of response I would expect from an Obama supporter. I am not voting for the GOP...so your post seems a bit foolish. Deal with it.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Obama signed the law and did not veto it, this is true. Do I think he should have vetoed it? Yes, absolutely. Would it have mattered? I don't think so at all. Why? Congress has the power to override a veto with 2/3rds vote.


It is the job of Obama to veto the bill, give his reasons why and try to convince the congress and senate why it is a bad bill. He did not do this, instead he codified into law an expansion of his powers, unconstitutional powers.

It is not his job to just throw up his hands and say "oh well, i guess there is nothing I can do about it". The simple fact is, it gave him more power, power he is already using.

I don't solely blame Obama but he had the chance to kill it and have it come back up, he should of done that, since he did not I can only assume correctly that he supported it. i am not interested in excuses. Why did he not veto it?



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Because, if you get into a terrible accident (God forbid I don't like to see anyone hurt) and become a veggie, guess who gets to pay for your care? Yup, the taxpayer! Now, I don't care for Obama, but let's be realistic. Healthcare is not a reason to not vote for Obama. There are many other reasons which the OP already covered.



Umm no, the tax payer will not be paying for a thing. The plug will be pulled as per my legal wishes. Things are not as cut and dry as you are trying to make them. Healthcare is a major reason not to vote for Obama, just not in your opinion, it is a very big deal to me and others. That should be respected, we should not be forced. It is funny how the left will defend a womans right to choose (so do i by the way) but won't defend a persons right to choose to have healthcare or not. there is no difference. choice is choice.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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I worry about Romney de-regulating everything. Why do you think we had the crash????? De-regulating the banking industry and Wall Street.


That deregulation was done under clinton and gore by the way... I am so tired of people still blaming bush for Obamas short comings. When does responsibility fall to Obama? 4 years after we have a new president? Gimme a break, Obama is responsible for his actions during his term. Bush Sucks... So does Obama. I am tired of the excuses and justifications, wrong is wrong, despite any amount of sugar coating.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by notquiteright
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I would gladly opt out and have them leave me bleeding to death in the street rather than have this forced upon me.

Sure you would, internet hero
sure you would.

Bet you would also tell the cops a thing or two whenever you feel like it, and singlehandedly win any fight ever.

Chatter over substance.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Your argument is to splinter the anti-Obama vote to beat him? Seems silly to me!


I don't know what your talking about. My goal is not to beat Obama, my goal is to legitimize thirds party's. If Obama or Romney wins, I loose so what do I care if I splinter any votes. I hate Both of the two false choices.

My argument is don't vote for either of the lying crooks not "anybody but obama".



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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I don't agree with you but I starred your post anyways as I think you make a good argument for your case... I just feel like Romney will be excused by the right just like Obama has been excused by the left. The hole will only go deeper either way.



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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Remember that time Obama said he would get rid of the lobbyists and bring the troops home... Also didnt he say he wouldnt force healthcare down our throats?

Oh wait.... he flipped on all those..

The healthcare thing bugs me a bit... 26 states do not want it, the majority of American people do not want it...

Seemed like jamming to me



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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Sure you would, internet hero sure you would. Bet you would also tell the cops a thing or two whenever you feel like it, and singlehandedly win any fight ever. Chatter over substance.


I am sure that they would. I would too. What you don't get is that we see this as a fight against tyrannical government and unconstitutional laws. Your side sees it as common sense reform.

So while it seems silly when you hear something like that, we are deadly serious. I am not sure if that will help you understand how we view something in an entirely different way than you do.

People like me don't like the aspect of the mandate because it is FORCED. We don't like to be forced to do anything. If the force wasn't there, we might actually like the plan, sinse it is there, we will do everything to fight it.

And yes, I would rather die than have my government force me against my will, even if it is for my own good. I would die to protect my free will. I am not a subject, I am the ruler of my world, government is my subject. Your subject too. The subject should not be ruling the master.

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by sageofmonticello

#1
Obama has added $6 trillion to the national debt in his one term.

#2
NDAA. Indefinite military detention, no attorney, no trial. Nothing else needs to be said. He could of easily vetoed the bill and had it go through congress again with this section removed.

#3
He signed an extension to the patriot act despite running on a platform that attacked the Patriot act and promising that if the extension crossed his desk he would not sign it.

#4
Libya. Obama authorized military action in Libya (otherwise known as war) without consulting congress, this alone is an impeachable offense in my eyes. His reasons for not consulting congress, he wanted to legitimize the UN... His words.

#5
Obama care. No other president in the history of the country has ever assumed that they have the power to force american citizens to purchase a product. The federal government obviously does not have this power.

#6
Obama has authorized the use of military drones to attack country's we have not declared war with. We are killing innocent people with these drones in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and only god knows where else.

#7
Despite Obama claiming to be against SOPA, he went ahead and signed ACTA.

#8
Eric Holder and the "Fast and Furious" debacle.

#9
The Bailouts.

#10
The seizure of GM and Chrysler, the transfer of bondholder wealth to unions, and the dumping of the GM stock at a loss


So there is my list. What is on your list?


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#1 - Due in a large part to economic policies started by GWB, such as the unfunded Bush tax cuts.

#2 - This was proposed and maintained by GWB before it was maintained by Obama.

#3 - PATRIOT was established by GWB, in his first term, less than 9 days after 9/11, with very little debate, and the American people responded by re electing him. PATRIOT violates more Constitutional freedoms than any other act before it, and the American people thanked the President that came up with it by re electing him to another four years in office.

#4 - GWB had Congress (AND the United Nations) authorize war in Iraq based on false evidence (that he knew to be false at the time) presented before them. Much worse than not getting authority for war is lying to Congress (an impeachable offense) to get your war.

#5 - Put in place by Mitt Romney in his home state when he was Governor, before Obamacare.

#6 - GWB authorized use of military drones in many countries USA did not declare war with, including Sudan, Somalia, and Pakistan.

#7 - GWB pushed for more no-warrant-needed Gov't control over the internet with PATRIOT.

#8 - Bank bailouts were first done by GWB (in the modern age, at least). The other President who was known for a massive bank bailout? Abraham Lincoln - a Republican - and not many people know that old Abe had one of the biggest transfers of money to the banks in history.

#9 - GWB awarded several no bid contracts to Haliburton, a company previously chaired by VP Dick Cheney. "Saint" Ronald Reagan gave weapons to Iran Contras AND trained Saddam Hussein in advanced biological warfare, and gave him the weapons that would later be used on his own people. GWB administration also illegally diverted $700 million in Afghanistan funding to Iraq. The scandal list under GWB's administration is long.

#10 - GWB transferred massive amounts of money to his banker friends, without any accountability for where or how it would be spent. Far more than Obama has sent to the unions. GWB bailed out AIG with similar circumstances to how Obama bailed out GM and Chrysler.


Thank you, I was waiting on somebody to point out the obvious, with all this squabbling , i taught i was going to have to point it out



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by GenEyuss

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by sageofmonticello

#1
Obama has added $6 trillion to the national debt in his one term.

#2
NDAA. Indefinite military detention, no attorney, no trial. Nothing else needs to be said. He could of easily vetoed the bill and had it go through congress again with this section removed.

#3
He signed an extension to the patriot act despite running on a platform that attacked the Patriot act and promising that if the extension crossed his desk he would not sign it.

#4
Libya. Obama authorized military action in Libya (otherwise known as war) without consulting congress, this alone is an impeachable offense in my eyes. His reasons for not consulting congress, he wanted to legitimize the UN... His words.

#5
Obama care. No other president in the history of the country has ever assumed that they have the power to force american citizens to purchase a product. The federal government obviously does not have this power.

#6
Obama has authorized the use of military drones to attack country's we have not declared war with. We are killing innocent people with these drones in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and only god knows where else.

#7
Despite Obama claiming to be against SOPA, he went ahead and signed ACTA.

#8
Eric Holder and the "Fast and Furious" debacle.

#9
The Bailouts.

#10
The seizure of GM and Chrysler, the transfer of bondholder wealth to unions, and the dumping of the GM stock at a loss


So there is my list. What is on your list?


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#1 - Due in a large part to economic policies started by GWB, such as the unfunded Bush tax cuts.

#2 - This was proposed and maintained by GWB before it was maintained by Obama.

#3 - PATRIOT was established by GWB, in his first term, less than 9 days after 9/11, with very little debate, and the American people responded by re electing him. PATRIOT violates more Constitutional freedoms than any other act before it, and the American people thanked the President that came up with it by re electing him to another four years in office.

#4 - GWB had Congress (AND the United Nations) authorize war in Iraq based on false evidence (that he knew to be false at the time) presented before them. Much worse than not getting authority for war is lying to Congress (an impeachable offense) to get your war.

#5 - Put in place by Mitt Romney in his home state when he was Governor, before Obamacare.

#6 - GWB authorized use of military drones in many countries USA did not declare war with, including Sudan, Somalia, and Pakistan.

#7 - GWB pushed for more no-warrant-needed Gov't control over the internet with PATRIOT.

#8 - Bank bailouts were first done by GWB (in the modern age, at least). The other President who was known for a massive bank bailout? Abraham Lincoln - a Republican - and not many people know that old Abe had one of the biggest transfers of money to the banks in history.

#9 - GWB awarded several no bid contracts to Haliburton, a company previously chaired by VP Dick Cheney. "Saint" Ronald Reagan gave weapons to Iran Contras AND trained Saddam Hussein in advanced biological warfare, and gave him the weapons that would later be used on his own people. GWB administration also illegally diverted $700 million in Afghanistan funding to Iraq. The scandal list under GWB's administration is long.

#10 - GWB transferred massive amounts of money to his banker friends, without any accountability for where or how it would be spent. Far more than Obama has sent to the unions. GWB bailed out AIG with similar circumstances to how Obama bailed out GM and Chrysler.


Thank you, I was waiting on somebody to point out the obvious, with all this squabbling , i taught i was going to have to point it out


What is obvious? I could re write it and put Bill Clinton in front of it all. Doesnt make it true or obvious.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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I really only needed one...that pathetic toilet paper bill called Obamacare.
next line...



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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At what point is Obama responsible for his actions and people will stop blaming everything on Bush? Maybe 4 years after Obama is no longer president? Gimme a break. Obama has been president for nearly 4 years. Anything Bush was directly responsible during his term, he obviously had the authority to do... would it not stand to say Obama then has the authority to undo it?

Of course not, Bush put a mega super hex on anybody that tries too. Obama is no better than Bush. they both lie through their teeth, they both are war hungry, they both demagogue all issues, they both feel above the law and they both love deficit spending.

Blaming Bush is so 2008... it is 2012, get with the program, BUSH IS GONE. I love how people think a Obama detractor is obviously a Bush supported... couldn't be further from the truth. Bush Sucks... So does Obama. 2 peas in a pod my friend, 2 peas in a pod.
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Still on the Blame on Bush page? Well, Bush was not the brainchild behind Operation Fast and Furious. This is the most evil scandal in the history of the country.

The government "walks" thousands of US guns into the arms of Mexican drug dealers with the intended outcome of killing enough Mexicans that our outraged Administration can decry the bloodshed of over 200 Mexicans (some sources have it in the thousands) and pursue of their anti-gun legislation. A US Border Patrol agent was killed with one of these guns.

Now, Holder is weeks away from being charged with contempt and perjury, Napolitano has perjured herself as well. Obama will not allow an American soldier who wants to testify do so. Hey, that is obstruction of justice. He should be impeached.

This is pure evil that makes Watergate look like an adolescent prank in comparison. Devising a scheme that uses murder to further an anti-gun agenda is hideous.

MSM is stonewalling this story as it will bring down the Obama White House. They are guilty of collusion in this cover-up.

www.fastnfuriousinvestigation.com...






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