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Gallup Poll : Romney 48% Obama 43% - 3 Scandals Take Toll

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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I watch it all the time. There is nothing remotely left wing where I live so I have no other alternative. I don't think I'm that left wing really. I just want to see some improvement for everyday people. It seems we are going into a new Dark Ages in this country.

It irritates me to no end when people call Obama a socialist or a liberal around here. He is neither one of those things. He's not even that different from Bush.




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


I watch it all the time. There is nothing remotely left wing where I live so I have no other alternative. I don't think I'm that left wing really. I just want to see some improvement for everyday people. It seems we are going into a new Dark Ages in this country.

It irritates me to no end when people call Obama a socialist or a liberal around here. He is neither one of those things. He's not even that different from Bush.


He isn't that different from Bush, but he is also a liberal and a socialist. So was Bush, and so is Romney. They are all for more government controls, bigger government, less liberties, more intrusion, etc. The last NDAA was supported by both parties, and it is about as liberal and expansive of a document that one can imagine. The government spending, bailouts, "too big to fail," and healthcare mandates are extreme liberalism at its worst.

But, you are exactly right that Obama is no different from Bush, and Romney is likely going to be even worse!

Ron Paul is the only Conservative on the card.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Obama would do well to choose Hillary, if Obama gets reelected Hillary as next and first women president would be a given, the democrats retain power,

Biden on the other hand will never get elected president.
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Nope, not a socialist.
en.wikipedia.org...

You can argue fascist and I'd accept that,but socialist is a no go. I know what the word actually means. Furthermore, the Socialist party of the U.S. has already stated Obama is not a socialist. They are socialist so I'd think they would know who is and isn't a socialist. It's used a smear in this country along with liberal. I don't see a thing wrong with being a liberal or a socialist. You might want to stop talking with me. You'll never understand where I am coming from and you will continue to try to convince me of something I will never accept. Let's not waste our time.
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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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From your source

direct public ownership
. Plus, your wiki page's neutrality is in dispute.


1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


We are currently bordering on Socialism just as Marx predicted, with the Federal Government at the head of it. Obama is not a Fascist or a Dictator, although you may say the whole Federal Government could be considered Fascist, but since it is run by committee, it is far closer to Socialist.

Perhaps Marxist would be a better term, but you get the idea. Obama believes everyone should share equally in the wealth of everyone else regardless of one's own participation or contribution. This is a socialist belief. Apparently the entire Federal Govt and leaders of both parties believe equivalently.

Sure, it is a very loose interpretation, and he isn't a declared socialist, and the American public will never let it go that far to the left, but this point in our history is about as socialist as we have ever been! We are a long, long, long way from a Libertarian stance.

When the government can take the majority of your salary, 55% just in income tax, plus sales tax, property tax, personal property tax, road tax, and more, and when the government does what it sees fit with that money with no input from you, and when the government can demand that you purchase certain products, and you ask their permission to drive, to travel, to hunt, to fish, to grow food or collect rainwater, then the government has become socialist/fascist in nature.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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I don't see a thing wrong with being a liberal or a socialist. You might want to stop talking with me. You'll never understand where I am coming from and you will continue to try to convince me of something I will never accept. Let's not waste our time.


I'm using those terms as they are commonly used in the press and debates, but in reality I agree with you. Our country needs socialist medicine and socialist education, and it needs a truly free market everywhere else. The Keynesian policies are not working, the healthcare industry is broken, and the education system is broken.

What people consider "liberal" such as legalizing drugs and prostitution are actually conservative stances, because they limit the government intrusion. What people consider "conservative" such as regulating abortion or banning gay marriage are actually liberal because they expand government intrusion and power.

The terms are all screwed up and they are just smears. I agree with you 100%. We need to get back to true Conservative policies, which many would probably consider Liberal, and which are more accurately Libertarian!



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


I watch it all the time. There is nothing remotely left wing where I live so I have no other alternative. I don't think I'm that left wing really. I just want to see some improvement for everyday people. It seems we are going into a new Dark Ages in this country.

It irritates me to no end when people call Obama a socialist or a liberal around here. He is neither one of those things. He's not even that different from Bush.


Couldn't agree more. I think you can count the number of good politicians on one hand, and none of them are often in the limelight.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Obama would do well to choose Hillary, if Obama gets reelected Hillary as next and first women president would be a given, the democrats retain power,

Biden on the other hand will never get elected president.
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Yeah, I think this is what it will come down to.

If Obama is at least semi-successful, and if the economy improves over the next 4 years, then Hillary's almost guaranteed to win. Palin and Bachmann don't stand a chance against her CV, and neither do a ton of other GOP women. Maybe Condi, but she's linked to the Bush administration...which would be used against her.

So this election and the coming 4 years are quite important. If Obama wins and the next 4 years are a significant improvement, we could be looking at another 8 years under Democrats.

I'd go as far as saying I don't see anyone on the GOP side (besides maybe Ron Paul, but he doesn't have the support of the "big guys" in the GOP) that would stand a chance against Hilary if that scenario played out...man or female. They all have WAY less experience and a less impressive CV IF (!!!) the next 4 years work out.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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The terms are all screwed up and they are just smears. I agree with you 100%. We need to get back to true Conservative policies, which many would probably consider Liberal, and which are more accurately Libertarian!


That's one of the reasons I always chuckle when I hear some right wing guys like Palin/Bachmann/Romney/Santorum/Newt rave about Reagan. If Reagan were alive today and proposed all the policies he pushed through, they would call him a communist and socialist



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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I'd go as far as saying I don't see anyone on the GOP side (besides maybe Ron Paul, but he doesn't have the support of the "big guys" in the GOP) that would stand a chance against Hilary if that scenario played out...man or female.


Marco Rubio is an upcoming star for the GOP, but he has the same birth certificate problems as Obama.

Jon Huntsman wasn't quite prepared for this primary season, but I think he is an excellent candidate for 2016.

Hell, by 2016 you might see GRA running for something!
Not because I want to, but out of sheer frustration at the lack of choices.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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I'd go as far as saying I don't see anyone on the GOP side (besides maybe Ron Paul, but he doesn't have the support of the "big guys" in the GOP) that would stand a chance against Hilary if that scenario played out...man or female.


Marco Rubio is an upcoming star for the GOP, but he has the same birth certificate problems as Obama.

Jon Huntsman wasn't quite prepared for this primary season, but I think he is an excellent candidate for 2016.

Hell, by 2016 you might see GRA running for something!
Not because I want to, but out of sheer frustration at the lack of choices.


Actually...I always thought Huntsman was one of the most reasonable GOP candidates this time...and there's only 1-2 anyway. Ron Paul has many good ideas, but my main issue with him is that he wants to fix political and financial corruption and misconduct by making participants sign a "voluntary pledge not to screw over the rest". That's hard to swallow, and really hard to take seriously. Nobody expects investment bankers to stick to a "line in the sand" if they aren't bound to by law...they're goal is to make money, not play ethical angel. That's the reason we need regulations in that case, and a voluntary pledge won't do the trick.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Huntsman should be a powerhouse. He would make a perfect Secretary of State for now. He might even be named as someone's VP. I would hate to see him as a VP to Romney though. *yuck*

I hope he emerges as the clear party leader between now and 2016. They are so in need of a leader!



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Huntsman should be a powerhouse. He would make a perfect Secretary of State for now. He might even be named as someone's VP. I would hate to see him as a VP to Romney though. *yuck*

I hope he emerges as the clear party leader between now and 2016. They are so in need of a leader!


He's too intelligent to appeal to the fundamentalist rightwing fringe...and all primary campaigns (except for his, lol) were tailored around those folks. So he never stood a chance on that battlefield. It's always the same, appeal to the most extreme elements during primaries, and then mellow out to appeal to the "moderates" during the main campaign.

Huntsman agreed with the theory of evolution right when he started out, just like 99.9% of scientists (latest polls)...and what happened? They made fun of him. He also said that all the war rhetoric is stupid...which also cost him dearly. Logic wasn't a large component of this year's GOP primary campaign.

Santorum and Cain should have run as a president and VP ticket from the start. Their slogan should have been "Cain & Santorum 2012! Because f*** logic!!"

Just look at Cain's latest adds:



Yes, I have questions...SO MANY QUESTIONS!!! They don't even have to run to act crazy anymore


And the scary part? There's people who seriously voted for that guy!!! People like you and me!! They are amongst us. How do they get out of the bed in the morning? How do they survive???

Hahaha, here's one more:



I think he spent too much time with Stephen Colbert

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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By the way, Obama only needs to run a single 26sec clip as attack ad against Romney. I also suggest he leaves in the hilarious laughter Romney gets towards the end of the clip




Or he could steal this one:




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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by MrXYZ
 



I'd go as far as saying I don't see anyone on the GOP side (besides maybe Ron Paul, but he doesn't have the support of the "big guys" in the GOP) that would stand a chance against Hilary if that scenario played out...man or female.


Marco Rubio is an upcoming star for the GOP, but he has the same birth certificate problems as Obama.

Jon Huntsman wasn't quite prepared for this primary season, but I think he is an excellent candidate for 2016.

Hell, by 2016 you might see GRA running for something!
Not because I want to, but out of sheer frustration at the lack of choices.


I wish Rand Paul was more like his father. He's got many years in front of him. I've read a bunch of comparisons, much of them contridicting, can somebody run down the main differences between Rand and Ron? (Sorry mods if this is off topic, i can make a new thread).



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
Don't worry, the media will ignore those scandals...


Hardly the case here. Fast and Furious maybe, but the GSA debacle and all the information coming out from the IG is being reported on. The same with our "best of the best" Secret Service boys.

On a political strategist note and personal opinion, my bet we will be seeing connections (though they are thin and not really connected) made by the Republican machine to these actions and "glutenous" spending by the Administration. If they don't, I would be very surprised. Again, just personal musing on that.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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I need to research Rand more myself. We might find out sooner rather than later, because about the only chance Romney has of uniting and energizing the party is to select Rand as his running mate!



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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You are all insane if you think ANY poll numbers mean ANYTHING this early out. The real campaigning has yet to begin and all the numbers will change in the next coming months.

Just wait until Romney has to explain magic underpants to the Evan Christians in the south. That will be funny.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by HumansBeing
You are all insane if you think ANY poll numbers mean ANYTHING this early out. The real campaigning has yet to begin and all the numbers will change in the next coming months.

Just wait until Romney has to explain magic underpants to the Evan Christians in the south. That will be funny.


Yeah, the coming months should provide for a lot of comedy...I just wish the actual issues weren't as sad as they are.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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I need to research Rand more myself. We might find out sooner rather than later, because about the only chance Romney has of uniting and energizing the party is to select Rand as his running mate!


I would not like that. If Rand is anything like his dad, I dont want him tied to Romney.

If Dr. Paul isnt elected this year, its because Americans are not ready to accept what he is saying. Ron is too far ahead of the times. If Rand carried his beliefs, he can run for President when Americans are done falling for BS politics and foreign policy.
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