Dr. Neil DeGrasse - A fascinatingly disturbing thought

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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Thanks for the post, hearing what he had to say was definitely profound.

Thinking of us as part of the stars like he says makes me feel like we belong in the universe.




posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Reading your posts from other threads - - you seem to have serious issues with black people.

Does the fact this man is highly intelligent and incredibly accomplished - - and black - - have some weight in your interest?

Are you yourself educated in Astrophysics?



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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This isn't exactly a new theory the Porno for Pyros song we'll make great pets is saying the same thing, just in a much more annoying manner.

children are innocent
a teenager's #ed up in the head
adults are even more #ed up
and elderlies are like children

will there be another race
to come along and take over for us?
maybe martians could do
better than we've done
we'll make great pets!

my friend says we're like the dinosaurs
only we are doing ourselves in
much faster than they
ever did
we'll make great pets
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Spooky1
 


Reading your posts from other threads - - you seem to have serious issues with black people.

Does the fact this man is highly intelligent and incredibly accomplished - - and black - - have some weight in your interest?

Are you yourself educated in Astrophysics?



Really? I am honest about people. Did you read my posts? Did you not read that my favorite teacher of all time is black, or how I chose a black to be my PhD adviser?? I don't have serious issues with black individuals, but I do have serious issues when people bend over backwards to believe nonsense. I have serious issues with how the media portrays race, and affirmative action run amok: how blacks need to merely attain a degree to have big money and accolades thrown at them (I saw this over and over in academia). Productivity isn't necessary for a black to 'succeed' in science, but it is necessary for everyone else. Any black with a PhD can acquire massive funding simply for being black, because it is "inspirational to black students." I have seen precisely that on NSF/NIH funding letters to black scientists.

This is ATS, where we are supposed to deny ignorance and stuff. I am not ignorant of what goes on in academic science, and believe it is ignorant to consider someone that has produced virtually zero original work in astrophysics a "brilliant astrophysicist" and "highly accomplished." The links people have produced in defense of Tyson prove my assertions.

Your second statement is basically nonsense. There is no evidence Tyson is highly intelligent or accomplished. He merely attained degrees in physics from excellent institutions. But in my experience most educational institutions will pass black students at any cost.

To your third: yes, my undergraduate degree is in Physics, concentration on Astrophysics.
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Spooky1

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Spooky1
 


Reading your posts from other threads - - you seem to have serious issues with black people.

Does the fact this man is highly intelligent and incredibly accomplished - - and black - - have some weight in your interest?

Are you yourself educated in Astrophysics?



Really? I am honest about people. Did you read my posts? Did you not read that my favorite teacher of all time is black, or how I chose a black to be my PhD adviser?? I don't have serious issues with black individuals, but I do have serious issues when people bend over backwards to believe nonsense.


Your favorite teacher soft-pedaling - - is like those who say "I have no problem with gays - - but . . "

Interesting of all your posts - - you mention that.

Your Zimmerman post seems more true to form in the same line as the majority of comment in your other posts: "Charged with second-degree murder for defending himself against a violent thug? Ouch!"

You come across as a college kid to me.

I find no legitimate reason to discredit Dr. Neil DeGrasse - - - because he doesn't fit into one specific criteria you've decided is of utmost importance.

There had to be another reason. I think you have just proven that - with you - there is.

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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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I would partially agree with that. Because a noble species could have had to earn that nobility through hell and fire like what we are going through now. There may be those who never needed to go through that hell but some could have. Just a thought on that comment.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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I think the truly disturbing thing is that its equally possible that we are at the top of the intelligence pyramid. There may be nothing that is 1% above us. I find that thought very saddening.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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That was very good. He took a subject matter I'm not good at and made it understandable. He has a way of breaking down the complex and making it simple.

It made a lot of sense to me. If anything it made me re-think the practicality of the space program.




posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Spooky1

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Spooky1
 


Reading your posts from other threads - - you seem to have serious issues with black people.

Does the fact this man is highly intelligent and incredibly accomplished - - and black - - have some weight in your interest?

Are you yourself educated in Astrophysics?



Really? I am honest about people. Did you read my posts? Did you not read that my favorite teacher of all time is black, or how I chose a black to be my PhD adviser?? I don't have serious issues with black individuals, but I do have serious issues when people bend over backwards to believe nonsense. I have serious issues with how the media portrays race, and affirmative action run amok: how blacks need to merely attain a degree to have big money and accolades thrown at them (I saw this over and over in academia). Productivity isn't necessary for a black to 'succeed' in science, but it is necessary for everyone else. Any black with a PhD can acquire massive funding simply for being black, because it is "inspirational to black students." I have seen precisely that on NSF/NIH funding letters to black scientists.

This is ATS, where we are supposed to deny ignorance and stuff. I am not ignorant of what goes on in academic science, and believe it is ignorant to consider someone that has produced virtually zero original work in astrophysics a "brilliant astrophysicist" and "highly accomplished." The links people have produced in defense of Tyson prove my assertions.

Your second statement is basically nonsense. There is no evidence Tyson is highly intelligent or accomplished. He merely attained degrees in physics from excellent institutions. But in my experience most educational institutions will pass black students at any cost.

To your third: yes, my undergraduate degree is in Physics, concentration on Astrophysics.


The following statement by you - - pretty much declares where your thought process lies.

"Your second statement is basically nonsense. There is no evidence Tyson is highly intelligent or accomplished. He merely attained degrees in physics from excellent institutions. But in my experience most educational institutions will pass black students at any cost."





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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Spooky1

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Spooky1
 


Reading your posts from other threads - - you seem to have serious issues with black people.

Does the fact this man is highly intelligent and incredibly accomplished - - and black - - have some weight in your interest?

Are you yourself educated in Astrophysics?



Really? I am honest about people. Did you read my posts? Did you not read that my favorite teacher of all time is black, or how I chose a black to be my PhD adviser?? I don't have serious issues with black individuals, but I do have serious issues when people bend over backwards to believe nonsense.


Your favorite teacher soft-pedaling - - is like those who say "I have no problem with gays - - but . . "

Interesting of all your posts - - you mention that.

Your Zimmerman post seems more true to form in the same line as the majority of comment in your other posts: "Charged with second-degree murder for defending himself against a violent thug? Ouch!"

You come across as a college kid to me.

I find no legitimate reason to discredit Dr. Neil DeGrasse - - - because he doesn't fit into one specific criteria you've decided is of utmost importance.

There had to be another reason. I think you have just proven that - with you - there is.

edit on 18-4-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)


Blah blah blah.

You can't refute anything I've said, so you look to old posts and contrive baseless, nonsensical attacks because you can't form a real argument or rebuttal.

What was wrong with my "trayvon" post? Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder for defending himself against a thug. All known data about this case backs up my assertion.

But ya, since you can't defend your statements or refute mine here keep digging, it just proves the weakness of your position.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Thank you all who read through and posted your opinions. I love to hear all of them, even the negatives. Anyways though I stated my opinions a while ago, and to recap I said I thought his ideas brought a something new into my mind and I love thinking in new ways about stuff. Thanks again
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Human beings are basically huge liars. We lie unintentionally and on purpose. We lie when it isn't even necessary. We lie when we know for sure that the lie will eventually hurt us. There is nothing in the world LESS reliable than eyewitness testimony, except perhaps photographic evidence.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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You have to love the guy.
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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EDIT NVM
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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degrasse is far from brillant
but a lot closer than many
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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I'm not even too sure we'd be able to see intelligent life much less have a conversation with it. They could be invisible to the human eye, microscopic or just not perceptible to us. Most people think they're going to be these 4ft tall grey aliens who fly down on a metallic saucer shaped disc. I think they're going to be something beyond our comprehension.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by Intelligence101
I'm not even too sure we'd be able to see intelligent life much less have a conversation with it. They could be invisible to the human eye, microscopic or just not perceptible to us. Most people think they're going to be these 4ft tall grey aliens who fly down on a metallic saucer shaped disc. I think they're going to be something beyond our comprehension.


I think there are many varieties and levels of evolvement - - even some similar to human's in appearance

When you think of all the varieties of life on earth and imagine any one of them could be the dominant beings elsewhere - - its mind boggling.



posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by ShockTruther
This man is talking about serious, thought provoking theories and the audience reacts by laughing like a bunch of idiots... Drooling morons indeed.

Yeah, I'd say that if intelligent life came across us it wouldn't bother to stop. I imagine intelligence beyond ours would find humans not quaint, but annoying and barbaric. Not worthy of the valuable resources we enjoy.

This whole "humanity is barbaric and not worth an alien's time" crap is so tiring. If you can't see how humanity is awesome in spite of our extreme limitations, then you're just a negativist from the get go, and filled with self-hatred. Aliens would be lucky to find us. We're great.


NO, you're wrong. We are insignificant in almost everything we do. The ONE thing that does make us interesting...is the fact that we inhabit a very fertile planet full of liquid water and tens of millions of different species.

The chimp might not be worth having a conversation with, but the zoo is at least worth a visit.

*man, I astound myself sometimes...LOL*
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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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I guess we will have to add one of those little square boxes to the chart and call it "Lf" (life) now. I wonder what the atomic weight of Lf would be?

I don't care how you mix the elements. Life is not "chemistry". Complex carbon chemistry is not life. Life is something separate for which all that chemistry is but the carrier. Like an automobile without a driver. Two different things. Maybe that is an old idea nowadays, but really wheres the analysis or proof that life is but chemistry?
Still a theory for now.





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