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Is Obama planning a COUP by discrediting the Secret Service?

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Its simply laughable now. Obama is responsible for anything to some of you guys.

So far the tally...

Hes a kenyan muslim ( with ties to very evil christian pastors) who stole the election because he disenfranchised white voters and isnt even the legal potus. He was behind the bp oil spill, he wants death panels, a communist, a marxist, and a socialist, hes plotting the next 9/11 to take over martial law, and now creates a coup to dismantle his secret service agents so he can again instate martial law... I know im leaving something out...

what will your imaginations do when he is out of office in 8 months or 4 years???
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Even honorable men can lapse from time to time. Peer pressure is an amazing thing.

There have been issues with Secret Service agents in the past which have come out in the mainstream media, this one is no different.

Obama's not throwing them under the bus, he's distancing himself from the scandal and promising that those who were in breach of trust will be dealt with quickly and severely.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
On the night before JFK was assassinated his entire Secret Service detail left him in a hotel room in Fort Worth guarded by a fireman while they went out and partied until 3 am.


You were there?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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The conference did not go well in direct opposition to the Obama camp. Obfuscate that with a Secret Service Agents scandal and the Obama camp is able to deflect scorn through the use of a false mirror of moral uprightness.

Taking a fall for the prez is also part of the SS duties - I would imagine!



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
Its simply laughable now. Obama is responsible for anything to some of you guys.


The question is, why does Obama allow us to continue these threads? Clearly Obama is also a conspiracy disinfo theorist whom is trying to make everyone believe he does and is all these things...which makes me realize, Obama is a also a disinformation conspiracy nut...else he would be here personally on ATS explaining why the claims are bogus.
Yet we hear nothing...its been over an hour that this thread is up, and Obama has said nothing...I think that is telling!



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Obama took their security clearance away which is saying this is bigger than a little fun time. Also i heard this has branched out to 15-20 military personnel.

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Perhaps as an excuse to establish a security force separate from the secret service in preparation for the dictatorship to come, since secret service might be a threat to a dictatorship.


Yes, of couse..that is the most reasonable conclusion one could come up with.

Ho-gate is not just some guys getting horny, its about a guy trying to become a dictator, so therefore destroying his bodyguards reputation for...___...and then somehow that will allow the red army to roll in...

Someone told me once that the secret service was made up by humans that actually got randy on their time off...but that can't be true...because you know...global warming or whatnot..


Of course you are being snide and assume that Secret Service Agents, who are held to the highest standard expected, who are expected to have unwavering discipline and professionalism, cannot keep it in their pants since they are "only human". They are not just human, they are Secret Service Agents.

And if you don't like THAT argument, let's discard it entirely in favor of this one:

Let's say this is all true. If it is, then it is most likely a regular occurrence that is common knowledge of the president's inner circle and the president himself. Why is it a problem now? Why is it a big problem if it is the same old Secret Service antics on the road? Perhaps something else at play here?

In a way, it would not surprise me if it is true, given that the government is pretty much corrupt top to bottom. Why should the Secret Service be any exception?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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No such thing as bad press. How many times has "Obama" been typed in this thread alone? Keep em coming, it only helps him.

Seriously though, I know SS agents, and FBI agents, and they are just people. Highly trained, highly qualified, decently paid people, but still people. They got where they are by having squeaky clean backgrounds, but once they are in the job their options open up dramatically, and they don't always stay squeaky clean.

As some have said before, they do let their hair down, they do get out and get loose sometimes, but they are normally extremely adept at separating the job from the fun. I can't believe they would have a stripper or prostitute back in their hotel rooms. No way that would happen, they know much better than that. No way they left Obama's schedule lying around in a room for any maid to see, let alone a stripper. Just never gonna happen.

I believe the "wheels up, rings off" mantra. It could be true. The tab story could be true. But there is no way they "accidentally" compromised the security of the president. That has to be a cover story for something else. This whole blow-up is a cover story for something.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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The Secret Service agents assigned to Kennedy all acted with remarkable sluggishness when the firing began. Perhaps it was due to the visit they had paid to a "beatnik" nightspot in Fort Worth, where they stayed until early that morning. (The club, The Cellar, was owned by an acquaintance of Jack Ruby who had connections with both big-time gamblers and police officials.) Jim Marrs. Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy (p. 15). Kindle Edition.





After midnight the night before [the assassination], some reporters called me from the Press Club [of Fort Worth], which didn't have a license to sell drinks after midnight. [They] said they had about 17 members of the Secret Service and asked if they could bring them to my place. I said sure. About 3:30 [A.M.], these Secret Service men were sitting around giggling about how the firemen were guarding the President over at the Hotel Texas. That night got the Cellar mentioned in the Warren Report. Jim Marrs. Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy (p. 248). Kindle Edition.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32
Its simply laughable now. Obama is responsible for anything to some of you guys.

So far the tally...

Hes a kenyan muslim ( with ties to very evil christian pastors) who stole the election because he disenfranchised white voters and isnt even the legal potus. He was behind the bp oil spill, he wants death panels, a communist, a marxist, and a socialist, hes plotting the next 9/11 to take over martial law, and now creates a coup to dismantle his secret service agents so he can again instate martial law... I know im leaving something out...

what will your imaginations do when he is out of office in 8 months or 4 years???
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Fascist, not socialist.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Oh how could I forget


Not sure how obama could hate america and be a facist at the same time but ok lol



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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It's Mrs. Obama that hates America. Mr. Obama has no strong view of his own whatsoever. He has to ask Pelosi, and she tells him he actually likes America. Its Fascism by proxy.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by phantomjack
Is it possible that the President and his puppeteers are using this incident to discredit the SS and force a total replacement of the service by the President's own, chosen, men?
What say you, ATS?


Funny its called the "SS" like the Nazi SchutzStaffel, with the same function too. And now protesting is a felony anywhere they go? And they don't have to pay for hookers? They just Take Sexual Authority (TSA) whenever and wherever they want. Seems Ma'Obama has found he method to replace the ones he doesn't like (pull their clearances) while putting in his Nazi Youth too.


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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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so your sniffer goes off becuase the US media is covering a sex scandal ?

lol

hilary drinking a beer was front page for the NY tabloids

are they planning a new prohibition ?




posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
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Interesting idea, star and flag for you.

But doesn't the President already have complete control over the Secret Service, including the selection of the details?


Well, thats a good question! Does he?

Or the better question is, while he may have control over the SS, does he have control over the the men themselves?

There are a lot of SS stories that have been told over the years about how agents respect the position, but may not necessarily respect the POTUS -- that while they would do their duty, would they go as far as to take a bullet for the POTUS when it comes down to it?

So maybe the POTUS doesnt think he has loyalty, and would want to replace those with his own, hand selected bunch.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
he ratted them out, thats for sure. i doubt, in the history of the secret service, that not one agent before them was screwing hookers over seas or going to bars and picking up women.

a job requirement of the secret service is to give your life for the president. and the president can't at least try to return the favor by looking the other way while they get laid off duty.

obama should have kept this in house.


Thats exactly my point my friend. WHY has this become a world wide news story? At the very least, it should have been covered up -- by someone. But yet, its top news story everywhere. Why?

I mean, it seriously contradicts everything we know of the SS. What is really going on here?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its the secret service...aka, his bodyguards.
If he wanted to replace them, he wouldn't need a "coup". he could simply fire em all and restaff with different agents..his choice. the SS is not above the presidency.


Not unless he were working stealthily for some future event. He wouldn't expose his cover this early in the game. Better to have had everyone swapped out, THEN drop the grenade.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by phantomjack
 


So, just because undergo very invasive background checks and investigations, they arent capable of corruption?
I wonder if the presidents pick their own SS agents or do they carry over from previous admins?
Reason I'm asking is because it seems that almost every dept of Obamas admin has one kind of scandal or another going, the highest being, (not counting him) Eric Holder.


The evasive and psychological tests an SS agent undergoes, would produce corruption before he ever would be accepted as an agent. That's the whole point to the background testing. These agents are men of steel, both physically AND mentally. It would be very difficult for an agent, let alone 11, to get through this screening process without producing some signal or sign that would prevent them from ever getting near the president.

SS agents are like robots. They tend to have no life outside the Service. Yet here, we have 11 of them all at once lacking moral character? I can see one, but 11? I can see two, but 11? Something is wrong with this picture.

Then, to have complete news coverage of it is just astounding!

This is what we are being shown: An embarrassment to the administration. Why would the administration let itself be embarrassed?

With all the power that the feds have, I just find this astonishing that 1. it happened and 2. it leaked.

These guys are of the highest training. Your telling me that an agent let a $47 bill get out to the media????? And that 10 others didn't cover it to KEEP IT OUT OF THE MEDIA?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by randomname
he ratted them out, thats for sure. i doubt, in the history of the secret service, that not one agent before them was screwing hookers over seas or going to bars and picking up women.

a job requirement of the secret service is to give your life for the president. and the president can't at least try to return the favor by looking the other way while they get laid off duty.

obama should have kept this in house.


Obama?

Obama is suddenly the msm?

Obama simply weighed in on it saying it was not approprate (to the effect..you can tell how interested I am in this). But can you imagine the outcry if it was indeed ignored? suddenly it would be Obama singlehandedly purchased all the prostitutes and wants to make a big prostitute white house or whatever.

Personally, I don't care. Prostitution is legal there, the SS are humans, they should have paid the extra 47 bucks, and people need to get out of other peoples bedrooms. The SS is simply a security agency, not some elected politician...we don't expect them to have no desires in their off time....just make sure the president doesn't get shot and there you go, job well done...have some tequila, catch a donkey show, etc.


I agree with you 100%. But this isn't about the morality of the situation. Its the fact that this became MSM front page news pretty darn quickly WHEN the POTUS was out of country, and WHEN news of this could have resulted in a very serious breach of security.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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I'll agree on one issue. There is WAY more to this story, because even the racist news when a restaurant refused service to black Secret Service agents didn't get this much coverage. So, why are they all over this issue?

I have to disagree about any coup though. It wouldn't help Obama any to discredit the SS, and he has had more threats on him and more security surrounding him than any president in history, so there is no way he wants to screw up his relation with these guys!

Perhaps it was expanding the size and scope of the SS to accomodate Obama that allowed a weaker crop of candidates to get through? Perhaps it is an environment of weak leadership under Obama that allowed the standards to be lowered? I think those are strong possibilities, but honestly I think it is much bigger than that..... I think there was some type of event that threatened the president's life, and I think these agents were involved, and this prostitution thing is a way to downplay the threat while still destroying the men involved.


Very good theory. While I initially, and still do, think there is more to the story, I had not considered your swing on it.

Most, if not all, threats against the POTUS are never revealed for the specific purpose of security. But you don't see these types of stories cropping up when that happens. The events are simply silenced.

So what makes this one different? Why this one? And if your theory is correct, I wonder just how close they got?



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