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Originally posted by Raivan31
When I was in primary school it was a very, very rare thing for a child to lose control like this and almost every time it did happen it was because they were not being listened to (regardless of whether they were right or wrong) and acted out.
Every time a child acted out like this they would be physically restrained and sometimes smacked (where nessecary) and the problem would stop.
People shout out so loud to not hit kids but in my own experience being shown, physically, that they are not the strongest person in the room ALWAYS stops kids from trying to bully and intimidate.
Kids are smart enough to know not to pick a fight with an adult, because they will lose.
Physical violence has it's place in our society like it or not.
The REAL issue is of a generation of kids growing up with the belief that there is no comeuppance for their actions, they all seem to think that they can get their own way by hurting people because no one will stop them.
being smacked down when your acting up is an important, if harsh, lesson that all people need to learn
As my Father used to say "there's always someone who's bigger, tougher, smarter or faster so don't get too confident"
Originally posted by Raivan31
reply to post by GhostLancer
Sadly, this is all too true...
People think that a more intellectual approach to society as opposed to the old standard of physical is better and more advanced but it only results in this kind of situation.
Instead of burning witch's we litigate against them, if you follow my meaning.
Society seems to think that all problems can be settled and dealt with by using a courtroom instead of a Whip, but the reality is that both are flawed, I hope that eventually society will learn to observe that which worked in the past and combine it with that which works in the present and try to evolve our systems of governance.
Even ground and balance between the different parts of human nature needs to be accepted before this kind of insane situation ends.edit on 18-4-2012 by Raivan31 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by InnerTruths
They are grooming kids to become compliant.
Originally posted by PutAQuarterIn
Maybe it is the parents maybe it's a mental thing with the girl..none of us here know for sure.
Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by lacrimaererum
I dont care how old she is. Hitting some one and breaking their property is wrong. At age 6 , you know hitting some one or breaking some one's 'stuff' is wrong.
Originally posted by BiggerPicture
Suppose you're right.
Nowadays when a kid is extremely unruly, I reckon school should call 911, not the parents to come in right aways.
Even if its kindergarten - or pre-K?
Originally posted by Mystery_Lady
reply to post by milkyway12
Well, now we know what happens when we spare the rod and spoil the child.
Nothing needs to be reviewed. We need to let common sense come back into the homes and schools. The parents are too scared to discipline the kids, and the schools aren't allowed to. What do you expect?
It will get worse as the politically correct BS machine marches on. The next thing we know, all the children will be taught to call in their parents or anyone who supposedly did something wrong to them. The parents can no longer control their children, the teachers can't control them. Therefore the state needs to take over.
When your children are ready to enter into kindergarten, they will be put in state run boarding schools. You can come visit them during the weekends and during holidays. This will allow both parents to be able to work, and get off of welfare. Since the children will be in the boarding houses/schools there will be no need for foodstamps and medical. Those dollars will be directed towards the new system. Also, we will be implementing a federally mandated tax to cover the rest of the cost.
Isn't this what the TPTB want? To control every aspect of our lives? What better way than to come up with a system that scares parents into not disciplining their kids and not allowing those who watch them do so without police intervention. All in tiny steps. First they have to start making it acceptable that a six year old can get arrested. One here and one over there during a year. Next year a couple more. It builds up slowly while the mantra marches on that the teachers couldn't do anything. They tried their best to restrain them, which basically means almost nothing. They are not allowed to touch them.
It wasn't that long ago I saw a video of a teacher trying to restrain a child while the child is throwing a tantrum. What did the teacher do? Spread out her arms as if they were some type of shield, walked circles around the room trying to keep the child in front of her, and tried to talk to her. What should have the teacher done? At the very least grabbed the child, drag him over to the chair, and plant his but firmly on the chair. In the sternest and loudest voice without yelling that could be raised, tell the kid not to move. If necessary, get a coach with a whistle who knows how to yell without yelling.
Back in the day, the child would have gotten a couple of good swats in the but, sat down in the chair, and told not to move while facing a wall. That happened to me in kindergarten. As I remember I didn't like the teacher after that, but the teacher is not there to be liked, but to teach and discipline if necessary. I never got swatted again. It also served the purpose of showing others what would happen if they acted out also. No mental scars from it or therapy for years from it. Yes, the teacher was a catholic nun. They knew how to discipline. They were kind, but stern.
Want to know why you see loud and unruly kids with their parents more often? If they do anything to discipline them, someone will report it. They give a swat on the but, OMG they hit the child!!!! They will be damaged for life!!! OMG they are forcing the wailing screaming kind into the car, just because the kid want to stay for another hour, I got to call the police some type of abuse has to be happening. OMG the mom said no to a $2.00 toy!!! What is she thinking, the kid must be deprived. Report them.
This is true. A friend of mine swatted her kids hand once because he picked up a candy bar once too many times. This was after the mom repeatedly told him he no, and put it back. The last time the kid almost got the wrapper off. The cashier saw the mom slap the boys hand, took the information on the credit card she was using, and called it in. Parents are being trained to be scared of disclosing their kids.
What do you think is going to happen?
Until this trend reverses, I won't be surprised to see things getting worse.
What I am surprised at is how many people think a teacher can not handle a kid. The cops need to come in and take care of the situation. If the kid was in middle school or high school, then yes I could see there might be a problem. A 6 year old in kindergarten???? That is ludicrous.
What's next the parents having to call the cops every time the child misbehaves or throws a tantrum in their own home?
How low is society going to sink before all this insanity stops?
Originally posted by LevelHeaded
reply to post by Nite_wing
But why was the police called in the first place? Why was she put into the cruiser? Why couldn't the school staff have handled a 6yo without police involvement?
"I attempted to calm Johnson down," he wrote in his incident report. "Johnson then pulled away and began actively resisting and fighting with me."