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Why believe in alien existence and visitation?

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Hi there, I've been a long time believer in alien existence and visitation of planet Earth.
But recently, I've just given up the belief. I mean absolutly nothing leads me to believe in their existence.

Ufos are just that, unidentified flying objects. I have yet to see images of an interstellar being. And really just nothing else adds up to the possibility.

So I have one question ATS, to all you believers, what eveidence or proof leads you to believe in extraterrestrial life in the universe and furthermore, here on Earth?

I'd actually be glad if members could get me back on that wagon!

Peace and good day to you all!




posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Its completely logical to assume that there is life in the universe other than ourselves, it would be impossible for there -not- to be. It doesn't make sense that in an infinite universe (as far as we can measure anyways) is completely devoid of life. Life happens, the universe is built around life. I'm sure there are all sorts of life in the universe. Mathematically speaking, the probability exists.

As for here on earth.. I'm not too sure on that, lots of UFO's and stories about aliens and encounters. But you'll never truly believe until you see it for yourself. I've never seen one. Do i want to? Hell yes. Will i? I sure hope so! Just take everything the government says, and reverse it, chances are the gov is lying to you anyways. "No aliens" actually means "Yes, aliens."

=P



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Well, there are two core beliefs here, not one. The first is whether aliens exist at all; the second is whether those aliens have actually visited Earth.

Due to the vast number of planets, galaxies, etc. that we know are in our universe, it's not entirely unreasonable to believe that, somewhere out there, there is some other kind of intelligent life. Based on what we know, it's not guaranteed (as some would have you believe), but it does seem very likely. I'd go so far as to say that it would be naive to believe that we are truly alone in the universe.

Now, if those beings do indeed exist and were indeed visiting Earth, I think we would know more about it. From a logical perspective, there's not much to gain for an alien race by flying around at night, flashing lights in the sky, letting a select few view their presence while remaining hidden from the mass public.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2
 


Why not?

It's a lot of fun kicking it about,
and there is a lot of weird crap going on.

It's a statistical certainty
that off world intelligence exists,
I would bet my eternal soul on it.
Speaking of souls,
every week billions of people
go to their respective churches,
to worship and give thanks to a deity,
That's real stuff, what people do,
yet not one shred of evidence exists anywhere
to confirm any deity's existence.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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post by NoLoveInFear46and2
So I have one question ATS, to all you believers, what eveidence or proof leads you to believe in extraterrestrial life in the universe

The rising probability that life exists throughout our Solar System plus the sheer number of planets discovered by Kepler lead me to believe that life is abundant in our Galaxy and Universe .


post by NoLoveInFear46and2
and furthermore, here on Earth?

That ones more difficult , that's down to belief based on reports and testimony released over the last few decades , not really proof but that's all we got .


post by NoLoveInFear46and2
I'd actually be glad if members could get me back on that wagon!

Only you can do that , no amount of youtube videos will convince you ET are here but a bit of research will show you they are almost certainly out there , so why shouldn't they come here to this gem of a planet .



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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It has nothing to do with evidence and everything to do with logic. The fact that, we, intelligent beings exist. is very proof that intelligent life exists in our universe.

Also 'gods' are more likely aliens, why jump to such surreal, huge, massive conclusions like "god" when a lesser, more logical explanation is misunderstood knowledge (technology) from other life forms.

We think so small, the rat race is ending though...



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2
 

There are no longer what is called "UFO", the "U" standing for "Unknown". All are no identified by the Air Force, but they are not telling you about it. You will know for certain when they appear in the skies, just like everybody else not in the "loop" and "read into" the secrets of the Military.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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If watching this movie doesn't make you think twice, then anything we say will be lost on you!


UFO: the greatest story ever denied



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2
 

you asked:
"Hi there, I've been a long time believer in alien existence and visitation of planet Earth.
But recently, I've just given up the belief. I mean absolutly nothing leads me to believe in their existence."


to deny the existance of intelligent life other than human, would deny all that previous generations have left us in historic and religeous texts.

from the babylonians, alexander the great, middel east, india, religeous traditions, we have endless records of visitations by someone.

as to ufos, physical proof would help, although they might be other dimention's probes?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by BeforeTheHangmansNoose
reply to post by NoLoveInFear46and2
 


It has nothing to do with evidence and everything to do with logic. The fact that, we, intelligent beings exist. is very proof that intelligent life exists in our universe.


Second half to that would be if there are "others" would they consider us "Intelligent enough" to bother making contact?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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From a statistical standpoint gauged on the sheer overwhelmingly bogglingly impossibly gigantic enormous vastness of space as well as the astoundingly numerous amount of possibility numbered in hundreds of Billions of hundreds of billions of stars, I'm pretty confident the possibility on statistical probability alone is near absolutely certain there's other life in the universe.
I'd even wager to postulate that the universe is absolutely teeming with life to the number of millions of independently intelligent technically advanced species.

unfortunately, because the universe is so big. The very same thing that makes this near certainty possible is the same reason we probably will not meet anybody else.
The universe is big; big enough for millions of species, but, also so big that not one of these millions of different species might ever know about any other one or come into contact with any other one.

There's like 400 Billion galaxies.
If there was just one type of intelligent life for each galaxy, there'd be 400 billion civilizations.
Because the distance between galaxies is so utterly and impossibly enormous compared to the size of galaxies themselves, travelling between galaxies is likely unlikely.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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I didn't watch the vid posted, but I already know it's from the disclosure project which I have watched 2 times in it's entirety (2 hours long ) and believe it is disinformation and trying to keep every sci fi fan on the edge with the hope of alien existence.

Maybe out there somewhere there's life ( I don't like to set my mind with probabilities of existence )
But I highly doubt we've been visited.

It's fun and all to imagine lil grey people travelling the universe with outstanding technollogy ( like in the movies)
I mean I've myself seen a flying saucer very clearly with my own eyes, but just dismiss it as being gov military crafts.
I believe that is what we are seeing all around the world. But thanks to hollywood, people think an alien invasion could be possible, which is entertaining to imagine but other than that, real life and real life problems go under the rug.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Oh and I don't care much for religion either, just another distraction from real life...



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Seeing things with your own eyes is a pretty good way, certainly better than relying on videos. If you're looking for proof why would you look to videos? Why not look at the places these videos all contain - the sky?

But there's no reason you should not "give up". That, in fact, may be part of the trigger that enables you to finally see something for yourself. I was a big believer when I was young. Then, because I had never seen anything, I just gave up caring about it, didn't give it a second thought. Then about 15 years later, bam - frequent sightings of the most unexplainable things I'm ever likely to witness. Then everything I had questioned as a youngster made complete sense, even if I couldn't make sense of what I was seeing.

Maybe the same will happen for you

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Some people believe because some people need something to believe in. Something that is going to come and fix all of our problems. Some people believe that is a God. Some people believe that is Aliens… and SOME people believe both are the same.

I believe it is all the same, constructs created to soothe worry and fear.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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There is no doubt that exists to a great degree, the question is though does it make UFO's any less real based on the physical evidence?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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If thousands of pilots , military personel , ex astronauts and others had claimed to have see GOD. I would be far more likely to believe in God. The fact these people claim to have seen UFO's that they believe come from another world is some evidence for for alien visitation. Enough for me to entertain the idea.

Why do so many believe in religion without a shred of evidence?



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by jaws1975
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There is no doubt that exists to a great degree, the question is though does it make UFO's any less real based on the physical evidence?


Would you ask me that if I showed you this piece of toast?



People see what they want to see. Their 'physical evidence' -never- stands up to scrutiny. If -anything- was -ever- able to be provably intelligently extraterrestrial, or divine for that matter, it would change the conversation from "Are they real?" to "What do they want?". The only place the latter is asked is in congregations of believers, like ATS.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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I have to pretty much agree with TurkeyTots here - there are two different parts to your question. I would be one of those "paid disinfo agent" and "debunker" types on ATS. While I have stated a few times that I believe it is statistically likely that there is life out there somewhere - so likely that I would venture to say that life really must exist out there somewhere - I would also say that I have seen nothing to convince me that there has been any visitation by aliens to our humble little planet. It just seems too unlikely for even a civilization thousands of years more advanced than humans to overcome the impossibility of interstellar travel. Even if you could travel at the speed of light, it would take decades, if not centuries, to get from one civilization to another. I wish we would meet some alien civilization, but I just don't believe it will ever happen.

I try more and more lately to stay away from the UFO/alien topics because I truly do not believe anyone is going to change their opinion/belief on this subject and it always seems to devolve into petty bickering and name calling. Outside of a very public landing of an alien craft, there really is nothing to make me believe in visitation.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If thousands of pilots , military personel , ex astronauts and others had claimed to have see GOD. I would be far more likely to believe in God. The fact these people claim to have seen UFO's that they believe come from another world is some evidence for for alien visitation. Enough for me to entertain the idea.

Why do so many believe in religion without a shred of evidence?


All we have "evidence" for is that these people think they have seen something that they can't explain. Just recently in the news was the report of the Air Canada pilot who injured 16 passengers while making a sudden dive to avoid an oncoming American C-17 cargo plane...which ended up just being Venus.
www.foxnews.com...

So, if these highly trusted pilots can mistake Venus for a C-17, they can most certainly be mistaken about aliens.

And, would you honestly change your opinion about God if a pilot claimed to have seen Him? Really...




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