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End the multiple Christ heresy / myth, now.

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 11:51 AM
reply to post by Iason321

These celestial beings your speaking of are not of our realm. They operate on a different frequency (vibration) than ours, and there's a veil between our realm and theirs, which is the reason you and I can't see them, under normal circumstances

interesting. do you know, how many realms there are ? are these vibrations in steps or fluent ?

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by icepack

Yes I have two fathers.

My biological earth father,

And our Father, which art in Heaven.

And no Mother? Either on Earth, or in "Heaven"? Where is the physical location of this "Heaven" where your Father lives? Is it HERE?
I refer you to J. F. Rutherford, "Reconciliation", 1928:
Rutherford believed that God was confined to a place or location in space. This place was identified as being in the Pleiades star cluster. Specifically it was claimed he probably lived on or near the largest or brightest of the stars in this group, Alcyone. In the August 15, 1925 Golden Age it was stated that the City of Zion in heaven was associated with Alcyone in the Pleiades star group.

Joseph Seiss (Thy Kingdom Come) says of the Pleiadies:
"Alcyone, then, as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be 'the midnight throne' in which the whole system of gravitation has its central seat, and from which the Almighty governs the universe."

To me, Jehovah and his Angels sounds more like Erich Von Daniken's "gods" from outer space than the Alpha and Omega of Scripture. It sounds more like the "Ancient Astronaut" theory that the "gods" of the religions of earth including the God of the Bible were actually aliens from space. I came to this following years of research on Religious History. I sincerely hope you can also do the research, and see the truth of the matter.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:23 PM
Well that’s wrong for a start

Originally posted by autowrench
Joseph Seiss (Thy Kingdom Come) says of the Pleiadies:
"Alcyone, then, as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be 'the midnight throne' in which the whole system of gravitation has its central seat, and from which the Almighty governs the universe."

wouldn't the galactic centre be the ''the midnight throne' in which the whole system of gravitation has its central seat' - right?

And Alcyone is about 30000 light years away from galactic centre and did you know it’s much younger than the sun?

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:32 PM
reply to post by autowrench

Thanks for posting this autowrench.

I've heard about this, but didn't know the name of the book, or the author.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:34 PM

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
Lets also not deny the fact that he was a man and not God.

We don't deny He was also a Man. "Son of MAN", you guys just deny that He was also the only begotten Son of GOD.

Yes I do. He is not the only Son of GOD. Never was never will be not matter how much you want it. But that do not make what he did not special. He was wonderful and I thank him for what he did. I just don't thank the smallminded egoistic people that came afterwards that did not have the spirit and was caught up in duality and did not understand Jesus at all. The screwed up Christianety to the point that many Christians are AntiChrists without understanding it. To bad really
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by redbarron626

How about you stop judging books by there cover and actually open your mind and research and think,

Or carry on in blissful ignorance to the Truth of the world around you,

I dont care what you do, God gave you free will, if you want to use it to carry on living a lie, well then my good man, I say,


I say the same back at you about other religons. Open a buddist bibble and really see and think.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by icepack

I've thought of concepts similar to this before,

Loving, Godly, Positive thoughts have their roots with the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and His messengers (angels)...

Neutral or worldly thoughts have roots within Self and Ego,

And evil, dark thoughts have origins in carnal self, prideful ego, and malevolent spiritual entities,

Interesting to think about....

Now that was not something I thought I see you write.
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:22 PM
reply to post by Iason321

Who said I'm an atheist or non-believer? Assume much? Just stating that source material is key when you're supposedly trying to prove a point. I find it hard to take material seriously that can't even spell basic words.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 01:55 PM
reply to post by Iason321

Yeshua said there would be many people to come claiming to b Christ or that he would be somewhere and to not believe them.

Only one Christ, the rest are fakes.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 02:00 PM

Originally posted by DuecesxGeneral
Lets also not deny the fact that he was a man and not God.

Actually he was a man who claimed to be YHWH, God-Man, God in the flesh. Why do you think the pharisees tried to kill him by stoning twice and tried to throw him off a cliff? Dude just be quiet, your words say that you have the understanding of biblical events of a kindergartener. Theres a reason the OT was included with the NT, because they both bear witness of his identity. I swear the ignorance on this site is amazing. People do not even know who their own God is.
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 02:25 PM
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Take heed to these words, for the Qu'ran REJECTS Christ coming in the flesh. It claims Him to be nothing more than a prophet.

Lets put the Qu'rans logic against God's holy word.

If Jesus is "just a prophet", then that makes God a liar, for God tells us;

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

And we are told this about Jesus;

1 John 3:5 "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin."

Hebrews 2:9-10
9)But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10)For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 1:1-12
1)God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2)Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3)Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4)Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5)For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a
Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6)And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7)And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8)But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9)Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10)And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11)They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

Hebrews 9:24-28
24)For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25)Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26)For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27)And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28)So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Romans 5:15-19
15)But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16)And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17)For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18)Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19)For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

John 11:25
25)Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

So then, if Jesus Christ really was just a "Prophet" and not God manifested in the flesh, then that would mean that not only is He a sinner, but that He couldn't then be found worthy of dying on the cross to take away our sins. Also, He wouldn't have been worshipped by God the Father in Hebrews Ch1.

Also, He wouldn't be made Heir of all things and be Creator of all things. Nor could He have life in Him to resurrect the dead in Christ. Nor could He forgive sins, nor judge all men on whether they are to reign with Him or be thrown into the lake of fire. Basically put, ALL humans are IMPERFECT, so thus it could only take the PERFECT God to give us all a second chance unto salvation.

I could go much more farther and deeper into this subject, but this alone should be enough to show you all that any man, religion or belief that denies Christ's Deity is a liar and an Antichrist, just like God says. To GOD be the glory!!!!!
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 02:40 PM
Isaiah 9:6
6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,

The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jn 1:1-18

Chapter 1

1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.
3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16) And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17) For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 Timothy 3:16
16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Philippians 2:5-11
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Isaiah 48:12
12) Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;

I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Revelation 1:8
8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13
13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah 51:12
12) I, even I, am he that comforteth you:

who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die,

and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

John 18:5-6
5) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6) As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

John 8:23-24
23) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

1 John 5:7-8
7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 02:55 PM
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

It is a shame isn't it??? This only goes to show that they have not the Holy Ghost dwelling within them.

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Without the Holy Ghost, we are not truly saved or of God;

Mark 16:16
16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 20:22
22) And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 2:38
38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:9-14
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:24
24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 03:21 PM
When I was 12 I went to hell for snuffin jesus

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 03:25 PM
reply to post by RealSpoke

Hell is death, the grave. The lake of fire is where the unrighteous will go.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 03:42 PM

Originally posted by redbarron626

After I post this link, anybody who reads this ought not ever bring up the "multiple Christs" hypothesis again, lest he be a fool.

So you give a link to a Christian webpage that describes Christ. I guess we all should have seen this coming.
I will stop talking about multiple Christs if you stop putting your religious drivel on ATS. Its real easy, If you want to preach go out into the streets and preach.

That argument is so stupid.

"So you give a link to a Economy webpage that describes Economics"
"So you give a link to the US Navy webpage that describes the Navy"
"So you give a link to a Carpentry webpage that describes Carpentry"
"So you give a link to a conspiracy webpage that claims to deny ignorance"

And we are not commissioned to go out onto the streets, door to door, and preach and judge people. That's Jehovah's witness. We just defend our faith.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:02 PM
reply to post by Iason321

...ah forget it.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:04 PM
reply to post by racasan

Well I just cannot see how anyone would know that, being we are so far away and all.....
Many believe - and this belief comes directly from the Cherokee Teachings, that our Solar System makes a 250,000 year orbit of Alcyone which means that it spends about 25,000 years in each zodiacal sign. The Cherokee Elders say they came from the Pleiades System.


Our forefathers were from the stars in effect we are the descendants of star children. Look at our proud Cherokee nation flag, there are 7 stars and and one of them is with 7 points. Our original Ancestors in the oral traditions stated we came the star systen that is called Pleiades

In our culture , we lovingly call the seven stars 'The Boys'. Our Ancestors have stated that the Original Cherokee people came in 'flying machines from Pleiades.

The Ancient Ones tell in our stories that the Cherokee came in massives waves of migrations to populate north South America, the Caribbean, Central America, MExico and the greater Southeast of the United States before pre-Contac tmes.

We as a People in the old days of Meso-America built the great pyramid temple cities, our Culture and influence connected North, Central and South America together.

We as a Native people have a strong and vibrant history of being peace-keepers, diplomats, negotiators and mediators.

Our approach to Cherokee politics has held our Nation together.

Our common sense approach and how we framed our Traditional way of doing politics has both inspired and motivated other Native nations, the Europeans and the Americans to follow suit.

The Cherokee have demostrated our amazing influence and impact on the Americas based on our own unique spiritual and belief system.

We as Cherokee families and individuals must learn to tear away the images and sterotypes that mainstram society has placed upon us.

We can no longer attack, punish,or beat up ourselves for crimes we have never committed.

We must start to view ourselves with good self-esteem, self-worth, and self value.

For as Creator's original Holy People,this was the Creator's plan.

As Rolling Thunder, Cherokee doctor and activist once stated about the presence of the Cherokee upon the Americas:



I think I will go with the Ancient Stories of my own Native American people rather than what current science would like me to believe on the subject.

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:08 PM
Keep preaching that your God/Prophet is more correct than mine.

You deny mine, I'll deny yours. Who is more right?

posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Lionhearte
And we are not commissioned to go out onto the streets, door to door, and preach and judge people. That's Jehovah's witness. We just defend our faith.

But if anyone else defends theirs it's considered wrong or blasphemous or they need to be converted to Christianity. How is that NOT judging?

Please enlighten this little Shinto girl on how.......

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