Originally posted by studio500
The title suggests that this may be Britains toughest Pub but I somehow think that there may well be hundreds or even thousands of similar Pubs across
the UK like this one.
I'd agree that you're probably right. While there aren't that many pubs where I am where this kind of thing wouldn't happen, I don't live in an
area with that much poverty. I do live on a council estate, but nowhere near as bad as some of these housing estates.
It's pretty interesting when you see TV shows like Shameless. That is genuinely how a lot of people in the UK live. It seems ridiculous and extreme,
but just like there are a lot of "trailer trash" in the US, there are a lot of chav scum in the UK.
That's where, I believe, we end up with massive social problems like those seen in this piece.
There are a few solutions to it though...
1. Shut down the off-licenses selling booze to kids. Prosecute them (I suspect there is a LOT of corruption with cops going on there!)
2. Fix the price of alcohol as the gov is suggesting, meaning supermarkets can't sell a 2L bottle of Cider for £1.
3. Instead of spending the tax revenues on the "nicer side of town" (all local authorities do this because it's where THEY live!) they should have
a drug/alcohol treatment program and social schemes to get the community involved.
4. Areas like this should be demolished, razed to the ground and rebuilt. Modern housing is affordable to build when it's the community doing it - I
believe there are schemes like that in the USA and other European countries, but we don't have that here.
Ultimately it comes down to the environment around a person. If you live in a nice place you want to keep it that way. A lot of people in the UK do
not live in a nice area, they see the drug and alcohol problems, the dereliction, the peeling paint and the urban decay, and there is a complete lack
of opportunity to change it. There are only a few people within a community with the energy to do anything about it, and they receive next to no help
from their local government.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of this is going to change until we have a war. People have no pride, no self respect, no moral compass. If we were
fighting a common enemy the community spirit would surge and these people who have no goals and no ambitions would have something to fight, instead of
Interestingly, I think the war we might see will be internal. Imagine what these places are like now, and then consider the austerity we're going to
see in the future. Can you imagine what these places are going to look like next year, or the year after, when taxes are even higher and the
unemployment even greater? Many of those living in these communities will leave to find a way to survive elsewhere, meaning the problems will likely
For the last four years I've been expecting that there will be massive social unrest, and the riots last year were just the start of that. This is
the kind of community those people come from. And this is what we're going to see more of as the economy continues to tank.
Interesting thread, I'll have to keep track of this one and come back later