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War Plan Red – America’s Secretive plans for war..

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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 04:39 AM
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This is just another chapter that's been swept under the rug it seems, one forgotten about. And it's only at our potential cost that we forget about our past actions and history..

I hadn't looked over the thread before posting my reply. As I often do on threads I'm late to, I just replied to the OP directly. After taking the time to read through the thread, I'm glad I did. I was a bit confused by why you'd reply in quite the way you did, as I still hadn't checked. Now it makes more sense.

Just how many different topics within the thread have there been? The Revolutionary war....the war of 1812....World War I... World War II.... Some future war that could be or recent war that could have been? I believe I may have missed a couple so far out of topic they can't even be fairly classified into a war that involved the United States and Britain at the same time at all.


Oh the patience and grace some days require, eh? I still thank you for bringing this somehwat obscure fact of history to light. I certainly wasn't aware of it and have always thought of the 1930's as somewhat of a black hole. The 1920's history is synonymous with the years of prohibition. The 40's are World War II, of course. This really does fill in some 'texture' for lack of a better term, of the times and the thinking back then.

It's interesting that people would think of the period before World War II as having much in the way of direct connection to the period since and into the present day. A couple things do...like the Fed, of course. Simple history there... The rest of geopolitics came into existence as a result of and after the reality of World War II. So.... This really is historical in context, just as you've presented it. A fascinating part of it.




posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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in America we don't have no-go-zones for non-muslims, nor do we have Sharia courts on our land.


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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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I watched that program some time ago.

I wish I could say I was surprised but I am not.
The American Government and Military would shaft anyone given the right reasons.
Even their allies.

I can understand planning for all eventualities but a good 99% of that work must be complete waste of time.

I guess it just goes to show the more powerful a country is, the more paranoid and fearful it becomes.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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I was calling you the Ape!

And what??

Do you realize the facts? It was pretty much a French battle. Look at the stats here.

44,500 AMERICAN Militia
60,000 French and Spanish

Being helped by 2 major European forces is a major factor. Being armed by them and trained.

And just for me to stick the knife in deeper.

"Tens of thousands of slaves escaped during the war and joined British lines"

" The British also evacuated 10,000 slaves, now freedmen. Altogether, the British were estimated to evacuate nearly 20,000 freedmen (including families)"


What did the Americans continue to do after the war?? Hmmmmm



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Wow. You have managed to lay your ignorance bare for all to see in only a couple of paraghraphs. Where do I even begin? I know, I won't. There's no point. The fact that you have that sort of attitude while being a part of this site and having the insight it offers available to you says a lot about you.

You know what they say. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Which is why I won't even begin to pick at the stupidity you have so beautifully displayed in your post.

PS. Do the future of humanity a huge favour and don't breed.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Where do I even begin? I know, I won't. There's no point.



You know what they say. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Which is why I won't even begin to pick at the stupidity you have so beautifully displayed in your post.


To be fair.. you should've just completely ignored his post in the first place then. Posting in reply to tell him you're not going to argue with him is, with utmost respect of course, rather pointless.

Soo many off-topic posts here.. it is sad to see.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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the responses directly to you possibly are not off topic...

alot of others are just posting proof to back up their claims which do not want to be heard by the losers.

so many cry chest beater, troll or off topic when their views are irrelevant but I can understand where you are coming from because there are a few that are totally non-related.

England is lost and Canada is like a loft apartment over top a really great party... they just will not stop banging on the floor!



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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Have you forgotten that the english once tried to rule this country? Doesn't surprise me if somewhere in the archives of our history that we've had quite a few people that would want to get even with England.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Oh I know, I'm just talking about those kind of posts by the person who I was replying to there, and also the person he was replying too as well of course. They're just a bit distracting and I really want people to stay on track and have more of an Intelligent discussion, otherwise there's no point in having this thread here at all.

The majority of posts I've seen are one's I've appreciated. A lot of it is stuff I wasn't aware of myself after all. I do thank you for your posts as well btw.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:45 AM
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in America we don't have no-go-zones for non-muslims, nor do we have Sharia courts on our land.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

But sorry, but how exactly is any of this relevant to this thread?

If you want to whinge, moan or even gloat about the perceived Islamification of Europe and the UK why don't you go to one of the numerous threads on that specific topic that are here on ATS and voice your opinion there instead of derailing and spoiling this excellent thread?



England is lost


Deny ignorance?
More like wallow in it.



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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Have you forgotten that the english once tried to rule this country? Doesn't surprise me if somewhere in the archives of our history that we've had quite a few people that would want to get even with England.


No. That was one of the points I was trying to highlight in my opening post.

Today, the "special relationship" between America and the UK, particularly over the last 10 + years in fact, is a far cry from what it used to be, even in early stages of the 20th century going right into the '40's. At times they were criticizing each other and even, as far as I can tell, got relatively close to war over finances. Something I think would surprise quite a lot of people today.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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Well, as always, a well done thread on a topic as is relates to my own country's history that I had no idea about! I thank you for bringing this to the 'table' so to speak.

I had no idea that this was something my country did 'back in the day'. I am fully aware that we currently 'war game' all possible scenarios with allied countries as well as 'enemy' countries for 'planning purposes' but to know we did it back in the 30's astounds me. Well, perhaps not the planning part so much as the fact that the Government actually started preperations for this action by way of building air bases close to the Canadian border is what actually astounds me.

While a tremendous history buff, in all honesty, pre-WW2 and WW2 history never really held much facination for me until I met my boyfriend, who has managed to make it a topic of real interest for me. Until then, I was more than willing to swallow the mainstream history concerning the topic. It really is mind boggling to me the incredible stupidity and mismanagement of strategy that my country's military and political leaders showed during those times, and in all actuality, I'm not so sure we show much improvement in this area today.


I mean really. In the pacific theater my Government was more than willing to believe the Japanese did not have the technology to build the "Zero" much less be able to use such a technology against us (China) no matter how much evidence to the contrary was presented. However, in the mere decade previous they were more than willing to prepare for a strike against our neighbors to the north, Canada. What meatheads!

Anyway, thanks so much for presenting this interesting piece of history to us. I for one appreciate it. I have to wonder if his is the first instance of the US advance planning a possible strike on another country? Anyone out there know of any?

MMIMO



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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You think that war between US and UK could NEVER happen just because all is fine and dandy now, but this could change 180 in no time. During some great misfortune the masses can be swayed to do most anything and I mean anything. Great war always happens as a solution to some great problem and creating great problems is an easiest thing to do.
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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn

But sorry, but how exactly is any of this relevant to this thread?

it's relevant to my claims that the war is already over... not to mention England is being defeated for the nth time.

Maybe if we read the whole topic some will not be thrown off track?

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additionally... in America we live under one law system, a common law which defines our civilization.

we Americans obviously are not as polarized in our thinking? so I would suggest to those who see in this antiquated black and white method to stay clear of the ghetto!


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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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understandable... I feel the same way really, it's so hard to keep any conversation limited to the OP's mindset, there are just too many variables... and that goes for all around the net.

I have found in hobby groups it is one of the only places where everyone is on the same track.




posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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I've followed the thread from the start.....and I still fail to see the relevance.



additionally... in America we live under one law system, a common law which defines our civilization.


As do we, these 'Sharia' courts can not pass any judgement that contravenes UK Common Law and they can only pass judgement on matters of civil, financial and religious concern.
They are very similar to Jewish Beth Din Courts which were initially established in the early 18th Century.

Personally I believe in one law, fair and just for all - it seems I might be in the minority.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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I guess from my reading you could say it's a good thing the Nazi's came along without them the world would look alot different today.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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This has been discussed before pretty extensively,

www.abovetopsecret.com... Here, the emphasis was on the Canadian invasion.

And here, late last year, the destruction of Britain, www.abovetopsecret.com...

You'll probably find more references in 9/11 posts.



posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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the relevance is my claim "the war is already over" and my man the OP has his colors reversed in the diagram.

England don't make much in the way of men anymore... but if you would like to argue any of my claims you are more than welcome to invite me to a topic of your choice.

England's Christian based law system is being outbred by about 4-1/2 to none... we are already getting a large influx of native Britons here in America recently... I feel the pulse of my area/locale.


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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by smurfy
This has been discussed before pretty extensively,

www.abovetopsecret.com... Here, the emphasis was on the Canadian invasion.

And here, late last year, the destruction of Britain, www.abovetopsecret.com...

You'll probably find more references in 9/11 posts.


the fence down south needs to be transferred to the north at Canada... the south Americans are decent people unlike the godless socialist to our north.



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