May as well call it world war 3

The war on terror has led us to this, a world where one country may pre-emptively bomb another into submission for no better reason than their scared of what "might happen".
It is my firm belief that the war on terror is a pre-cursor to the start of world war 3, starting in the middle east and far east and spreading like wildfire through the nations of the world.

If israel nuked Iran, u could bet that Israel would suffer bombing from as far afield as Egypt (who train and help the palestinian cause and hate Israeli spies, mossad and the Isralei stae with a passion), and the whole of the middle east would labell Israel the new terrorist threat to their countries. Iran/Sryia/Lebanon would retaliate by using its own nukes and chemical/biological weapons on both Israel.
At this point the North Koreans will be watching america very carefully as they have both aided and supported Irans missile technology and nuclear ambitions.
If the americans then nuked or stuck Iran/Lebanon/Syria, or defended Israel....the confilict will widen onto a global scale.
Jordan, Saudi arabia, India, pakistan to name a few could support the war for or against the americans in this region, tho I could see mass civil war breaking our and millions of Jihadist fighers flocking to the killing fields.
this is not to menion the Nato, and coalitions coutnries fighting alongside america being drawn into the conflict and the lines of war are drawn.

Form that point on I could forsee North Korea launching nuclear srtikes against Japan (weakening their defences for their allies the chinese) and south korea, while the american are pre-ocupied in middle east hellfire. This would lead to a possible simultaneously planned invasion of both Taiwan,South Korea and possibly Japan (as it is in the americans military pocket).

I would love to hear some well informed points of view if they differ form mine or agree on the possible outcomes of an Israeli strike on Iran?
Love, peace and happiness
kGb

call it world cull lll not world war lll.
there is to many pepole something has to give.

Good post Radiant_obsidian, but i have a slightly different view of things...

Isreal will not nuke Iran unless iran sends up a nuke first. Isreal may and most likely will, in the next couple months, drop some of those bunker buster bombs on iranian nuclear facilities in order to quell the threat of a nuclear Iran.

But the question is, what will iran do when this happens? No one knows, but IMO they will obviously retaliate against the Isrealis, but not in a nuclear fashion. If they were to nuke isreal, the US, Russia, and Britan would simply level iran. We'd nuke the country off the face of the planet. But once again, i doubt iran would respond w/ a nuclear attack. I believe iran would launch airstrikes against isreali targets and possibly invade isreal--claiming isreal's airstrikes on their "nuclear power plants" (yeah right) was an unprovoked act of war. The middle east hates isreal, and this would be a hell of a reason to try and decimate the country. With Bush's recent troop movements (moving troops out of dormant cold war bases to more strategic locations), i think he might drop hundreds of thousands of soldiers into iraq, and then we'd invade iran and force them to stay at home and defend, rather than invade isreal. We'd be attacking iran from one side, and Isreal from another. Iran would fall. But the problem is that every other middle eastern nation would hate america and isreal (as they always have), and the entire middle east would try mounting forces and weapons to get us out of the region. Here's where North Korea comes into the picture. North Korea would publicly threaten the US and tell us to get the hell out of the middle east. We would say no. NK would turn over their nukes to these middle eastern nations (syria, egypt, etc) and they, in a final gasp of desperation, might nuke American targets at home or abroad.

I personally do not believe NK will do anythign, though. Iran is the biggest threat right now, IMO. War with Iran is inevitable, there's no doubt about that. We just have to praty to god that nukes are not used. Because if they are it's over for all of us, American and Iranian, Christian and Muslim. We're all goners.

What's in a name? If we're gonna die, we're gonna die. It doesn't matter if it's an armed conflict, a world war, or a frigging square-dance hootenany, if the nukes start flying it'll all end the same way.

It is World War III. World War III started on September 11, 2001, when the United States declared war on a noun - "terrorism." I agree that "World Cull III" is an accurate synonym. World War III does not have to continue, despite whatever happens today (27 Sptember 2004) or later this week. We can choose not to collaborate with the power-crazed manipulators who have swindled us into thinking that we owe them loyalty. Revolution would be justified, but I prefer peace. You can't fight your way to peace. But we have to stop collaborating with the deception. In particular, when the draft is re-introduced in the USA, I recommend non-compliance at all costs. JMHO. Stay safe and have no fear.

--libertad

I have been calling it the Third-World War, most of the wars that are going are located in 3rd world countries.

Also come to think of it I say it is Word War 3, but where are the nukes that were supposed to go off to officially signal the start? Damn hollywood

Rather than waste time repeating others, I totally agree with Libertad. There you go.

chebob

Thank you.

I only want a safer, more-free (i.e. libertad), and creative world.

Nothing else.

Always follow your heart... it contains the truth
--libertad

Originally posted by libertad
chebob

Thank you.

I only want a safer, more-free (i.e. libertad), and creative world.

Nothing else.

Always follow your heart... it contains the truth
--libertad

Same here man same here, I totally disagree with the entire "War is Nescesary" argument.

War is a tool of control.

These things are planned at a higher level of consciousness than we can learn-about in any mainstream source. Only by following our inner drive for truth, can we zero-in on what's really happening.

War is most certainly not necessary. War is a failure of humanity.

have/no/fear

--libertad

I believe iran would launch airstrikes against isreali targets and possibly invade isreal--claiming isreal's airstrikes on their "nuclear power plants" (yeah right) was an unprovoked act of war.

I dont think Iran could invade Isreal. What would be thier front of attack? We control Iraq, which is becoming a more strategic location day by day. (Funny isnt it?) They could definitly produce an air attack against Isreal because they would have to fly through Iraqi airspace and that aint happening, not to mention the Isreali fighter pilots are the BEST in the world. Yes they are better than ours. Also Isreal is equipped with F-15 fighter planes. In case anyone does not know, the F-15 has never lost a dog fight since the beginning of its existance. Iran would get rolled right off the bat. Everyone counts Isreal out of fighting. They should not be taken lightly. They have the most comprehensive intelligence agency in the world, the Mussad, which is better than our CIA, Englands MI-6 and the former USSRs KGB. Did I mention they rolled on three countries in 1972 who tried to sneak attack them. Isreal beat them in six days!!! Now if you dont call that military power then I dont know what to call it.

Libertad,

I was just wondering it you think you are really intelligent? With youre individualist rhetoric and anti-government propaganda, do you really think you make any sense at all? I was just wondering how old you were because usually when people get older they tend to get smarter, and you sound like a paranoid fool. I bet you think the government is really watching you. I mean come on man you are a little out of hand. Are you a little f...... in the head?

Libertad means well, it's just that his sources (David Icke being one of the primary ones) prevent him from forming coherent arguments.

The "revolutionary" attitude is fine, I daresay even healthy. It just needs to be applied a little more to, say, Noam Chomsky (an accredited scholar you can actualy learn from) and a little less to David Icke (a football dropout turned BBC employee lunatic.)

If you espouse Libertarianism, particularly Social Libertariansim, then I DO recommend Chomsky. Start with the Chomsky Reader, and proceed from there. He tends to whine a bit, but he is an intellectual giant in his field, both hated and VERY well respected. He's still teaching today at MIT, and answers EVERY ONE of his e-mails quite promptly, whether from a young person or a colleague.

Originally posted by radiant_obsidian
The war on terror has led us to this, a world where one country may pre-emptively bomb another into submission for no better reason than their scared of what "might happen".

'sallways been that way.

It is my firm belief that the war on terror is a pre-cursor to the start of world war 3,

I rather like the usage of 'World War IV', with the Cold War being WWIII

If israel nuked Iran,

Why in the world would israel nuke iran?

. Iran/Sryia/Lebanon would retaliate by using its own nukes

None of these countries have nuclear weapons. Syria might have chemical weapons.

confilict will widen onto a global scale.

If this war is fought with nukes, then its all over in a day or so, especially if the Russians decide to opt out. If anything, the russians might decide to use it as an opp to nuke some chechnyan cities.

millions of Jihadist fighers flocking to the killing fields.

Jihadists can't fight in large numbers. Besides, if the cities are nuked, the airports are destroyed, and the ports are demolished, then the jihadiis can 'flock' all they want, but they wouldn't be able to leave the region.

Nato, and coalitions coutnries fighting alongside america

Why would the US even bother with allies in a nuclear war? No one is going to strike the US, 'cept maybe Korea or China, and then onyl if they feel threatened.

kwintz
Isreal may [...] drop some of those bunker buster bombs on iranian nuclear facilities

I think in all likelyhood they will not. They hit the iraqi sites, problably with US knowledge, because Iraq was so close. This time they would have to fly over iraq, they'd have to have explicit US permission to do so, and would probably have to have the consent of the Iraqi Interim Gov, neither of which is likely to happen. They could fly over saudi airspace, but the saudis would be rather justified in shooting those planes down and striking their originating airfield in return. Those sites are only going to be destroyed by American Forces. Also, I think you are mistaken in thinking that the Iranians have nuclear weapons now. If they had them in secret, why would they be drawing attention to themselves over superfluous nuclear plants?

lol . . . .forget it, Nygdan. No use.

Seems a few of the posters here are already master strategists and geopolitical specialists who have it all figured out. I'm shocked beyond imagination that the government hasn't hired them yet.

project control site

Interesting, Zurvan.

By the way, you operate a website/blogsite, called 11thdimension (in your profile.)

Here's a lovely excerpt from your enlightened blog:

"14th of may 2004. third world war. it is not nuclear yet but they are talking about it.

Arabs are the most hated race and they are posing a severe threat to human civilization, savage barbarians.

Israel and Us are under attack but there is an obvious advantage to humans and that is that animals have not been able to bit them yet and I personaly dont think it ever can."

I don't think the problem is Arabs, Zurvan. The answer is actually as close as any mirror in your house.

Comming from augustus, I suppose I'll have to take that as a statement with authority. Or rather autocritas.

Its within the human beings nature to hate and destroy ourselves, it is also one of our only ways of balancing out our numbers, to even out our death - life ratio.

Therefore war IS necessary, and will always happen, so stop complaining, and i'll admit there are some wars that are wrong, but we learn from our mistakes right?

Im not happy either at loss of peoples life, but it happens everyday, in poor countries like Africa, in the worst kinda of dead.

Now, about the war with iran? It will NOT turn major, the superpowers just wont fight and risk a nuclear war like this, nothing like as small as this.

If anything it will be a small skirmish, but the superpowers wont fight each other, not even ground battles.

The whole question of Israel nuking Iran is flawed as this is not their policy "just to nuke who they want." Irans army doesn't even compare to Israel's. Their air superiority rivals even the U.S. Also Israel's Arrow II is the best missle defense system in the world effectively knocking out patriots. The estimates of 200 nukes in their possession is a little off. Israel has enough nukes to level the world at least 400 devices. Iran, Egypt, Syria all essentially know their capabilities and is why they are not f### with.

Not to mention they have the baddest arse military in the world backing them - us, the U S of A. There is certainly no need to nuke anyone. Lets say per chance Israel was overrun by everyone in the world for that matter. Lets say the whole world was against Israel and attacked them. They would initiate the Samson Device. They would blow themselves and everyone up in one big nuclear bliss, but that would only be if an army actual made it through their nuclear attacks, which they wouldn't. Israel is one bad arse nation and anyone who disagrees with that has not seriously looked at their arsenal or their tactics.

The arabs hate Israel not because of territory and current dealings it goes deeper than that - 4000 years back. The arabs believe Ishmael is the chosen son of Abraham the Israelis believe it is Isaac. They were both brothers from the same father but Ishmael and his mother were banished and have fought ever since. The arabs disagree with the "banishment" but simply following Ishmael's lineage proves the fact. Don't try telling this to a muslim though as factual timelines and ancient manuscripts mean nothing if it doesn't come from the Quran.

Of course the Arabs are not the chosen race as they would like to believe from Mohammed and the prophets they quote in the Quran state as much but that is another thread but is why they are so pissed off as well. You can also experiment with this by saying to a muslim person, "Hey Ishmael is not the chosen kid of Abraham, Isaac is. Ishmael was banished by Abraham," and watch how the guy reacts he will foam at the mouth and will basically want to slit your throat.






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