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Why ATS tolerate these constant barrages of blatant birds**t from obvious government shills is beyond me.
Originally posted by Argyll
reply to post by pshea38
Why ATS tolerate these constant barrages of blatant birds**t from obvious government shills is beyond me.
Ah...that old chestnut!......."If you don't believe me....you must work for the government"
Is that the very best you can come up with?
No - the worst they come up with is - "I don't care if you have FACTS - You must be getting paid by the government....."
I am sure there are people who get paid to post in these forums.
It's quite clear to me that their same old excuses are finally beginning to run dry and they no longer fool anyone with half a conscience or half a brain. I often read through these threads but I avoid posting in them because of the ignorant juveniles who think they own this playground and stalk this forum like some kind of street gang protecting it's turf are either completely blind idiots or are purposefully seeking to boost their maniacal egos by how many people they can convince with their lies. Either way there is no point in debating with them.
reply to post by IpsissimusMagus
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The scientific facts available to the public are only as trustworthy as those signing the paychecks.
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Well if scientific fact is the same old excuses and lies then what are the things chemtrail believers keep spouting out?
Here are a few examples...
1. WITWATS
2.News station lab tests
3.Mt.Shasta tests
4. Aluminum and Barium are found in high concentrates in soil samples.
5. Lingering contrails are in fact chemtrails
6. Criss Cross patterns in the sky are chemtrails
I could go on but hopefully you get the point. BTW all those listed above have been thoroughly discussed and debunked. I guess the big question is one that has been asked in about all threads on chemtrails and that would be...
Prove Chemtrails exist and where are the fleets of planes flying out of and how are they loading and spraying these chemtrails?
So if you have any way to even answer one of these questions you could then have a valid argument,but until then you are going to keep hearing the answers that don't agree with your train of thought when it comes to chemtrails.
That's not how it works.
How it works is that the scientific facts available to the public are only as trustworthy as they are reproduce-able.
now that you know that you won't have to fall for the disinfo any more.
Glad to have helped.
Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
That's not how it works.
Yes it is how it works. Those that pay for these studies only publish what they want to publish. Who has the power and the means to question the studies or conduct their own independent studies?
Who has access? No one who they do not want to that's who.
Commentary on the Status of Climate Engineering and Discussion of Options for Reflecting Sunlight Using Soot and Sulfate Aerosols Delivered to the Stratosphere by Jet Aircraft
The stratospheric plan called for fighting one kind of pollution (excess greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide) with another (sulfur dioxide), though it appeared that any increase in sulfur at the earth's surface would be small compared with the tons already being emitted from the smokestacks of coal-fueled plants
In a draft of his paper, Dr. Crutzen estimates the annual cost of his sulfur proposal at up to $50 billion, or about 5 percent of the world's annual military spending.
"Climatic engineering, such as presented here, is the only option available to rapidly reduce temperature rises" if international efforts fail to curb greenhouse gases, Dr. Crutzen wrote.
"So far," he added, "there is little reason to be optimistic."
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reply to post by IpsissimusMagus
They slowly will be adjusting the jet fuel. Little by little each year. Increasing the additives as perceived is needed.
This is a documented plan.
It has scientific merit and credibility.
Where is it documented?
so there will be some studies and papers establishing that then - can you link to them?
The House Oversight Committee is having hearings on the possible suppression of climate change science by the administration (streaming from here). Witnesses include Drew Shindell (NASA GISS), Roger Pielke Jr. and R. Piltz. Update: Full hearing video available at C-SPAN.
www.celsias.com...
A second, more radical idea is the Global Albedo Enhancement Project , which suggests we cover large areas of the earth with white polythene film. According to Alvia Gaskill, the originator of the idea, covering a large enough area of the earth "could be expected to offset some or all of the projected additional radiative forcing and global warming from 2010 to 2070." Prime locations would be the Sahara, Arabian or Gobi deserts, where thousands of square miles of desert could be covered.
After asking focus group participants if they were aware of any scientific or technological solutions to climate change, we explained what geoengineering is and gave them information about three different technologies, including CDR and SRM technologies.
We asked participants to discuss their reactions to each technology and whether they supported or opposed it. In addition, we asked them to discuss how the federal government, industry, and individuals should fund and make decisions about geoengineering.
We chose to use “geoengineering” in the information we gave the focus group and survey participants, given that we and others, such as the Royal Society, had used this term earlier. In our focus groups, we found that participants raised concerns about the potential for harm from geoengineering technologies and reacted differently to different technologies.
For example, one participant, asked to react to information about stratospheric sulfates, expressed the view that dinosaurs had become extinct by the Sun’s having been blocked. Another, reacting to the concept of direct air capture, expressed concern about the long-term storage of CO2 .
The public perceptions elicited by this survey are based on limited information about geoengineering and do not necessarily predict U.S. public views. We found that about 65 percent of the respondents had not heard about geoengineering before reading the survey; therefore, responses to the survey are likely to reflect reactions to information about geoengineering that we provided in the survey
Originally posted by pshea38
Originally posted by gemdog
I posted earlier about the chemtrails in the san francisco, east bay area. It started up early morning again today, and they are really pouring it on thick, crisscrossing the whole sky. I looked out my kitchen window and just saw one flying straight up, like a rocket. Kept going straight up, til out of sight (like a rocket launch). and no, it wasn't flying across overhead with the illusion of just flying straight up.
That's weird gemdog. Last week I saw exactly this, a distant object which appeared
to fly straight up (like a rocket launch), leaving behind a thick trail.
I am in the west of Ireland, and there are no military bases (as such) in the Rep.of Ireland.
I tried to capture it on camera but couldn't get a clear shot.
That is the first time I have seen anything like this. It was an isolated occurence
during what is otherwise an extended period of a distinct absence of spraying.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by gemdog
Omg all the arguing about what comes out of the back of an engine seems almost pointless.
if anyone has ever seen a crop duster or skywriting or anything similar, isnt it obvious it's possible to purposely release a spray from a seperate container/dispenser other than the "exhaust" ?
of course it is possible - it's been possible since at least he 1920's, when I think the first such apparatus was designed.
So what/where is any apparatus for doing so on any of these airliners? That would be very good evidence indeed .....if it existed.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by gemdog
Oh.....well. Yes, let's DISCUSS this:
Omg all the arguing about what comes out of the back of an engine seems almost pointless.
if anyone has ever seen a crop duster or skywriting or anything similar, isnt it obvious it's possible to purposely release a spray from a seperate container/dispenser other than the "exhaust" ?
The "idea" of adding something to the HOT exhaust, in order to make a "trail" is, basically, what is done in Air Shows.
(Please, just look that up).
BUT......commercial airliners DO NOT "add" something to the engine exhaust......the FACT of contrails is entirely due to the environment.
Period.
Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by gemdog
I posted earlier about the chemtrails in the san francisco, east bay area......
There are no such things as "chemtrails".
Period.
I could make it in all "CAPS" and 'shout' it....but, seriously....there are NO such things as "chemtrails".
There ARE things called "CONTRAILS"....or (CONdensation TRAILS)...and those are what you see, in the sky......overhead.
Period.
edit on Tue 17 April 2012 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by gemdog
We're in CA too and have also have seen an increase in these "Chem-trails" , they also do it here early in the morning.
I don't know why they are doing it, and we can only speculate since full dis-closure doesn't seem to be forthcoming to the public. Anything this important being kept "secret" in anyway makes me very uncomfortable.
I hope your health improves and you feel better soon We have also noticed "allegery" type symptoms, my Dad had a terrible cold he couldn't shake for weeks, and my sister got a bloody nose the other day out of no where? Now I have no idea if this is related, but it's strange cause we're typically a "healthy" bunch.
We had some "intense" thunder and lighting storms here over the weekend, again no idea if they are related to this in anyway...but it was scary and POWERFUL...lol, my 21 year old daughter, the 2 dogs, and 1 cat all came and jumped in bed with me so I remained as calm as possible cause they were all so freaked out. I was definately praying......