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Man Fined $1500.00 for Looking for a Job

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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by RustyCarr


No, doing minor repairs does not require "certificates" in any state that I know of. When any apartment complex hires a maintenance technician, they will utilize the guy's skills to replace bulbs, switches, recepticles, phone jacks, etc, while paying the lowest wage possible, $10-15 per hour.



Not in any state I've lived in. Please provide some documentation from your state showing you don't need to be a licensed electrician to do electrical repairs. Replacing bulbs is not 'electrical work'. You advertised yourself as an electrician, not a handyman, which you should have done. Doing 'electrical' work means far, far more than phone jacks and light bulbs.

You lied, you got caught. This has nothing to do with 'freedom of speech' and everything to do with misrepresentation of your qualifications.




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by litterbaux
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Originally posted by Forevever
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really? his freedom of speech? not the fact that he might be a flake and rewire your house wrong?


If you are dumb enough to have a guy rewire your house based on a flyer hung in a grocery store you deserve what you get. Where's the personal responsability these days? Why are you willingly covering your eyes and letting the other people make "safe choices" for you?


So, when the city or county refuses to come out and put your house fire out, because you were stupid enough to hire some idiot to rewire your house, you would be cool with that? Or are you one of those 'freedom' types who wants the freedom with no responsibility?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Sorry dude, you are another one that clearly didn't read the whole story like i did. All he did was post a note on a bulletin board . He did no work and was fined based on the assumption that he had due to his posted advert. They have no proof that he did . The entrapment occured because the guy from the government called his father and misrepresented himself as a potential customer in order to get his address. That's entrapment plain and simple. Later on the guy who entraped him swears that he identified himself as a representative of the government agency when he did not in the phone call to the guys father. That's called lying. He even signed off on the lie.

If I may recommend, Read the guys entire blog like I did and look at his evidence. Everything is posted there including the incriminating documents sent by the government officials. They threatened this guy for no reason other than to make a few bucks off him. They have a very weak case and if they will let him defend himself in court, with the evidence he has, he's gonna win. Problem is they are trying to keep it out of court and in front of an ajudicator. Which pretty much means he's gonna get railroaded.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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The truth is he never said that he would rewire a house . So this argument holds no weight. he said he could do electrical work. In his blog he explains that this meant that he could replace a switch or outlet. it never said anything about rewiring a house.

I work in industrial maintenance, I'm not a licensed electrician. However I know how to wire electrical equipment and guess what I know how to wire a house too. Really simple stuff that many people are scared to do. I've done this for years. I've been rewiring my house to split up the old and really overloaded circuits. Old house and getting it up to and above the present codes. There's nothing magical about electrical work. It's simple if you follow the rules. And keep to the local code or go above it.

I've done work with three phase and two phase. Even done work with dc. It ain't rocket science. Takes a little experience and knowledge. I've worked with professional electricians who told me to get my certification, cause I was good. That's an expensive and really unecessary process. Besides I want to know how to do it , I don't want to have to do it all the time. It's actually kind of boring.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by lonegurkha
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Sorry dude, you are another one that clearly didn't read the whole story like i did. All he did was post a note on a bulletin board .


I read the blog post. And what he did that was stupid was claim he could do 'electrical work'. Any idiot knows you cant advertise for that without a certificate. Get a clue.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Ok, so according to some feeble minded people on this thread, it should be ok for me to advertise that I can conduct surgery at low cost and nobody should be able to do anything to me...

and besides, it would be my 1st amendment right to do so meaning that I should just flee the state and not pay the fine because if the government says I need to pay, well, it's not important...

it seems that the IQ of the members on this site seems to get lower and lower every day...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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So you are from Washington and know their laws. I see. Did you notice when you"read" his blog that they fined him on his posted advert and not on anything else. No I didn't think so. He can post whatever he wants, That's called first amendment rights. It would only be illegal if he did actions that would violate the laws of said state which he did not do. They set him up and have no evidence that he actually did anything. The documents he posted from them contain no evidence that he violated any law. Therefore the documents are hearsay and not real evidence that he did anything wrong.

Not to mention the lies they told to cover up what they did to him. Good god man he has the evidence, Or don't you like evidence when it doesn't fit in with your agenda?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Under the first amendment you can say whatever you want. It doesn't have to be true. Yes you could post that, The problem would come if you acted upon it. If some one was foolish enough to hire you to do sugery on them, then you would be in trouble. Saying and doing are two different things.

Frankly you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the difference between saying and doing.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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If I advertise:

Killer for hire. 25k A person, no questions asked.

Is that really free speech?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by lonegurkha
reply to post by Magnum007
 


Under the first amendment you can say whatever you want. It doesn't have to be true. Yes you could post that, The problem would come if you acted upon it. If some one was foolish enough to hire you to do sugery on them, then you would be in trouble. Saying and doing are two different things.

Frankly you demonstrate a lack of understanding of the difference between saying and doing.
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Holy crap you are wrong. The First amendment does not mean you can 'say whatever you want'. Advertising for services that require a license, if you dont have one, is illegal.

This has NOTHING to do with the first amendment. You're ignorant.

My. Lord.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by lonegurkha
reply to post by stanguilles7
 

He can post whatever he wants, That's called first amendment rights.


False. Educate yourself on what 'freedom of speech' means in the United States if you are going to to live there:

here's a start:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by RustyCarr


No, doing minor repairs does not require "certificates" in any state that I know of. When any apartment complex hires a maintenance technician, they will utilize the guy's skills to replace bulbs, switches, recepticles, phone jacks, etc, while paying the lowest wage possible, $10-15 per hour.



Not in any state I've lived in. Please provide some documentation from your state showing you don't need to be a licensed electrician to do electrical repairs. Replacing bulbs is not 'electrical work'. You advertised yourself as an electrician, not a handyman, which you should have done. Doing 'electrical' work means far, far more than phone jacks and light bulbs.

You lied, you got caught. This has nothing to do with 'freedom of speech' and everything to do with misrepresentation of your qualifications.


The flyer is completely true. No lying on my part. Using the word "Electrical" in my flyer meant that I am skilled in doing electrical work. I am very skilled in that field, and you do not need to be a certified electrician to change a spark plug in a chainsaw or solder a wire on a solar powered LED garden light. Stretching the definintion of "electrical" to mean that I intended to do work on residential wiring that is connected to the power company's service is an assumption on the part of the guy who wrote the citation. Obviously, he knows nothing about my intentions. In fact, I have a friend who is a certified electrician, and he would like very much to pick up some work off my flyer, too. I could call him if a new friend/client needed a certified electrician.
So, why send revenue tickets without knowing the complete facts, AND SIMPLY MAKING WILD ASSUMPTIONS?
Please refrain from making wild assumptions like the silly inspector did. Those wild assumptions make you look silly, too.
Russ



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by RustyCarr
Using the word "Electrical" in my flyer meant that I am skilled in doing electrical work. I am very skilled in that field, and you do not need to be a certified electrician to change a spark plug in a chainsaw or solder a wire on a solar powered LED garden light. Stretching the definintion of "electrical" to mean that I intended to do work on residential wiring that is connected to the power company's service is an assumption on the part of the guy who wrote the citation.


Right. Because any time I need to change a light bulb, or spark plug, I consider it 'electrical work'. To pretend you didnt mean to imply you could do actual 'electrical' work when you said 'electrical' is absurd.

Advertising for 'electrical' work, which you did, requires a ticket as an electrician. Just like someone advertising as a dr has to be licensed as a dr.

This is all VERY common knowledge in the building community, and I've never met any kind of handyman who would make the claims you are making.

In the very first notice you received, you were told you were in violation of WAC296-46b-915:

1.bp.blogspot.com...

Now, the FIRST LINE in WAC296-46b-915 states, and I quote:


A person, firm, partnership, corporation or other entity who violates a provision of chapter 19.28 RCW or chapter 296-46B WAC is liable for a civil penalty based upon the following schedule. (1) Offering to perform, submitting a bid for, advertising, installing or maintaining cables, conductors or equipment:


apps.leg.wa.gov...



So your entire argument is nonsense. Your broke the law. Deal with the consequences like an adult.




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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Magnum007
Ok, so according to some feeble minded people on this thread, it should be ok for me to advertise that I can conduct surgery at low cost and nobody should be able to do anything to me...

and besides, it would be my 1st amendment right to do so meaning that I should just flee the state and not pay the fine because if the government says I need to pay, well, it's not important...

it seems that the IQ of the members on this site seems to get lower and lower every day...


Okay, if you did advertise that you could conduct surgery at low cost, and someone hired you to do it, how stupid would he be if he didn't check your credentials? What if you were totally honest and said that you have no training or certifications? Isn't the idiot who hired you responsible for his own choices?

Do you know that there are people claiming to be able to predict your future. Some are even licensed to do business. So, how stupid are people who believe fortune tellers? Aren't they responsible for what they believe and do? Should we have the government fine fortune tellers in order to "protect the public?"

Your thoughts are incomplete and illogical...The enslave people to government approval and government slave masters.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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So, when you received your notice that you were in violation of WAC 296 46b 915 for advertising electrical services without a valid electrical contractor's license, and you just ignored it, did you really think nothing more would come of it?

apps.leg.wa.gov...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by RustyCarr
Using the word "Electrical" in my flyer meant that I am skilled in doing electrical work. I am very skilled in that field, and you do not need to be a certified electrician to change a spark plug in a chainsaw or solder a wire on a solar powered LED garden light. Stretching the definintion of "electrical" to mean that I intended to do work on residential wiring that is connected to the power company's service is an assumption on the part of the guy who wrote the citation.


Right. Because any time I need to change a light bulb, or spark plug, I consider it 'electrical work'. To pretend you didnt mean to imply you could do actual 'electrical' work when you said 'electrical' is absurd.

Advertising for 'electrical' work, which you did, requires a ticket as an electrician. Just like someone advertising as a dr has to be licensed as a dr.

This is all VERY common knowledge in the building community, and I've never met any kind of handyman who would make the claims you are making.

In the very first notice you received, you were told you were in violation of WAC296-46b-915:

1.bp.blogspot.com...

Now, the FIRST LINE in WAC296-46b-915 states, and I quote:


A person, firm, partnership, corporation or other entity who violates a provision of chapter 19.28 RCW or chapter 296-46B WAC is liable for a civil penalty based upon the following schedule. (1) Offering to perform, submitting a bid for, advertising, installing or maintaining cables, conductors or equipment:


apps.leg.wa.gov...



So your entire argument is nonsense. Your broke the law. Deal with the consequences like an adult.




edit on 16-4-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)


stanguilles,
Why on earth do you wish to censor people on their flyers looking for work? How about their resumes? I have been a maintenance supervisor at high end apartment complexes where I taught many young guys to do "electrical" work replacing light switches, recepticles and much more. I have that written on my resume, too. But that aside,...

You are portraying yourself as all knowing and able to read my mind and my intentions. You are ridiculous and acting like an egotistical know it all teenager. Please hold yourself accountable to being a reasonable adult and stop making absurd unprovable assumptions. This country sorely needs more freedom, not less. And certainly you and the government are not "saviours" who can save and protect the "public" from their own selves and choices. Please allow the public to associate and communicate freely without being supervised by government and you...

We already have laws protecting against fraud and deceiving people by lying and making false claims.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by RustyCarr

Originally posted by stanguilles7


In the very first notice you received, you were told you were in violation of WAC296-46b-915:

1.bp.blogspot.com...

Now, the FIRST LINE in WAC296-46b-915 states, and I quote:


A person, firm, partnership, corporation or other entity who violates a provision of chapter 19.28 RCW or chapter 296-46B WAC is liable for a civil penalty based upon the following schedule. (1) Offering to perform, submitting a bid for, advertising, installing or maintaining cables, conductors or equipment:


apps.leg.wa.gov...



So your entire argument is nonsense. Your broke the law. Deal with the consequences like an adult.




edit on 16-4-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)


stanguilles,
Why on earth do you wish to censor people on their flyers looking for work? How about their resumes? I have been a maintenance supervisor at high end apartment complexes where I taught many young guys to do "electrical" work replacing light switches, recepticles and much more. I have that written on my resume, too. But that aside,...

You are portraying yourself as all knowing and able to read my mind and my intentions. You are ridiculous and acting like an egotistical know it all teenager. Please hold yourself accountable to being a reasonable adult and stop making absurd unprovable assumptions. This country sorely needs more freedom, not less. And certainly you and the government are not "saviours" who can save and protect the "public" from their own selves and choices. Please allow the public to associate and communicate freely without being supervised by government and you...

We already have laws protecting against fraud and deceiving people by lying and making false claims.



Again, you advertised electrical services without displaying a ticket number or license, which is illegal to do. You then received notice specifically telling you that is illegal, and to stop doing it. Instead of complying, you ignored it, and you were fined two more times.

You claim to be knowledgeable in electrical work and building maintenance,and yet you aren't familiar with the most basic rules regarding licensing of that industry in your own state?

Your own documents on your own blog prove this.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by RustyCarr
 


So, when you received your notice that you were in violation of WAC 296 46b 915 for advertising electrical services without a valid electrical contractor's license, and you just ignored it, did you really think nothing more would come of it?

apps.leg.wa.gov...


Please get your facts straight so that you can organize your thoughts and writing. I ignored a message left on my phone and went back to work. I promptly responded to the citations I received in the mail by appealling them.

I'd like to have an inteligent conversation, not a hysterical and "unfactual" conversation. Please get your facts straight, including your understanding of our constitutional protections.
Thanks



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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stanguilles said:
"""Again, you advertised electrical services without displaying a ticket number or license, which is illegal to do. You then received notice specifically telling you that is illegal, and to stop doing it. Instead of complying, you ignored it, and you were fined two more times.

You claim to be knowledgeable in electrical work and building maintenance,and yet you aren't familiar with the most basic rules regarding licensing of that industry in your own state?

Your own documents on your own blog prove this"""

SEE! You don't have your facts straight and this is my last response to you if you continue to distort facts!
Good grief!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by RustyCarr
You don't have your facts straight and this is my last response to you if you continue to distort facts!
Good grief!


My facts are based on the law, and on the info posted at your blog.

If you are unable to show me how my facts are wrong, or "distorted" then you cant uphold your end of the argument.
You advertised 'electrical' work, which is illegal in the state of WA without the right permits. Period.



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