reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yes, the body of Christ is a corporate body.
But there is no suggestion in Revelation that "John" is meant to represent a corporate body. Ch4 v1 is simply presented as the way that John, the
individual, gets access to the visions.
I see the Biblical God as a God who commmunicates, who wants his people to understand what he is saying.If he has to use metaphors and images, he
tries to make them accessible ones. For that reason, I'm always rather suspicious of any kind of "secret message" interpretation of Revelation.
Now the statement in 1 Thessalonians, that the "being caught up" occurs only when Christ returns, is very clearly laid out. I can't help thinking that
if God wanted us to have any other understanding of the event, he would have said so more clearly, instead of leaving it to speculators to tease out
the idea by indirect methods.
You ask where the chuch is after ch4.
As far as I'm, concerned;
The church is in ch7, being sealed by the Holy Spirit.
The church is in ch11 and ch13, being attacked and threatened with death by the forces opposed to God, but standing firm and bearing witness.
The church is in ch8, sending up the prayers to God which are being answered by the seven trumpets.
In short, the church is all over the place.
Before answering that point, be wary of the circular argument.
You're not allowed to say "They can't be the church, because the church has already been raptured", because that's the point you're trying to
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