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Rapture vs NONE rapture (dialogue to all christians)

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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Whenever Paul says he is "revealing a mystery" (Musterion), he's saying "I'm revealing something to you for the first time in recorded history. A revelation from God never revealed before."
So from the point Paul wrote Romans, on, it was no longer a mystery.
Everyone now understands that the reluctance of those people allowed for all the other people to fill in the gap.




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Are you affiliated with godlikeproductions ?

No, and why do you have this tendency to think anyone not of your cult is immediately suspect?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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You really must have a fear of the Tribulation period . Don't think you can hold to the Christian faith when things get bad ?
You are something different thats for sure .



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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I fear the people who go around promoting the Tribulation.
I have no fear about my faith.
That would be a pretty worthless faith.
I would say your own version shows a fear, if you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.
Maybe you believe in a mid version, but if you were a pre-tribber, then so the above applies.
The reason I don't believe in it is because it is not real and is made up.
The NT tribulation is a past event, any other opinion is based on speculation and some forgeries.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

The Day of the Lord is all over the OT prophets, open the first half of the Bible sometime. Especially Ezekiel who wrote extensively on it, Joel and Isaiah are another good place.
So?
What does that have to do with the millennium, or David's throne, or Jesus?


"Day of the Lord" was the OT moniker for the reign of the Messiah. Where He would judge the nations and rule with a rod of iron and the land would be full of peace and righteousness.

"Day of the Lord" in the OT = "Millennial reign of Christ" in the NT



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Whenever Paul says he is "revealing a mystery" (Musterion), he's saying "I'm revealing something to you for the first time in recorded history. A revelation from God never revealed before."
So from the point Paul wrote Romans, on, it was no longer a mystery.
Everyone now understands that the reluctance of those people allowed for all the other people to fill in the gap.


Correct, but the "mystery" was that Israel would be redeemed to Christ. That's the entire purpose of Daniel's 70th week. The age of the church is the period of time from Christ until that 70th week. It was a "mystery" hidden from the OT prophets, significant here would be Daniel. Who was given the 70 weeks prophecy.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Are you affiliated with godlikeproductions ?

No, and why do you have this tendency to think anyone not of your cult is immediately suspect?


Why do you think all of us who do not agree with your private "organic" theological position are immediately cult members and suspect? You've just called the kettle black.


edit on 29-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
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You really must have a fear of the Tribulation period . Don't think you can hold to the Christian faith when things get bad ?
You are something different thats for sure .


I don't see the bride going through the Tribulation, only the Jews and Gentiles who come to Christ at that moment in time. But being in America I don't think we will survive Gog Magog to even see that period of time.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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"Day of the Lord" was the OT moniker for the reign of the Messiah. Where He would judge the nations and rule with a rod of iron and the land would be full of peace and righteousness.

"Day of the Lord" in the OT = "Millennial reign of Christ" in the NT
Maybe some day when you have time you could spell out what your argument is to support all that.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Correct, but the "mystery" was that Israel would be redeemed to Christ. That's the entire purpose of Daniel's 70th week. The age of the church is the period of time from Christ until that 70th week. It was a "mystery" hidden from the OT prophets, significant here would be Daniel. Who was given the 70 weeks prophecy.
Paul does not get into any of that stuff, so I have to think it is just a made up mythology by the founders of your cult.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Why do you think all of us who do not agree with your private "organic" theological position are immediately cult members and suspect? You've just called the kettle black.
Cults have a defined dogma which makes it easy to identify its members.
Ask yourself who I go around calling cult members. They aren't free thinkers, are they?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Why do you think all of us who do not agree with your private "organic" theological position are immediately cult members and suspect? You've just called the kettle black.

Ask yourself who I go around calling cult members.


Everyone who claims Christ on these forums. Except you and the self-described pagan shaman.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Correct, but the "mystery" was that Israel would be redeemed to Christ. That's the entire purpose of Daniel's 70th week. The age of the church is the period of time from Christ until that 70th week. It was a "mystery" hidden from the OT prophets, significant here would be Daniel. Who was given the 70 weeks prophecy.
Paul does not get into any of that stuff, so I have to think it is just a made up mythology by the founders of your cult.


Re-read Romans 11 until you get it.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

"Day of the Lord" was the OT moniker for the reign of the Messiah. Where He would judge the nations and rule with a rod of iron and the land would be full of peace and righteousness.

"Day of the Lord" in the OT = "Millennial reign of Christ" in the NT
Maybe some day when you have time you could spell out what your argument is to support all that.


You'll still pretend like you don't see it. Same with Romans 11 which talks about the future redemption of the Jews to Christ and them being grafted back in. That their "blindness" isn't permanent.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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By a freak chance of fate, I just happen to have started a new thread:
Romans 11 and the current so-called Jewish State of Israel I invite you to check it out. Argue your case.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

By a freak chance of fate, I just happen to have started a new thread:
Romans 11 and the current so-called Jewish State of Israel I invite you to check it out. Argue your case.


I'm going on a mental health sabbatical at the moment. You'll have to wait.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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I'm going on a mental health sabbatical at the moment. You'll have to wait.

OK, I'll take first shot then.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Metal Rules you should try it sometimes friend... it will purge all demons!

...Salute, with your boot!

you wield a mighty sword, and I'd warn anyone who wishes to go up against the NT... he'll have ya meet the maker!




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Logically speaking ; The book of Revelations offends all Pretribulationist . It is not a time that I cherish except for the Lords return . The fact is that the book of Revelations repeats the prophecy of the latter days in the Old Testament and puts them into context and sometimes in sequential order so that they can be better understood .
Is the Old Testament void because the New Testament has been written ? Certainly Not ! Is the Law void . Jesus said not .
Logic ; Eiljiah and Enoch have never been reported to have died . Moses is dead . Jesus died . It is appointed to every man to die once and they will as the 2 witnesses in Jerusalem as told in Revelation .
Logic ; The Global government aim is to fail the worlds currencies so that they can exclusively issue their e-money . Now in order to be able to use that system you will have to have a RFID chip made coincidentally by Digital Angel. It's out there now . This global money and the ultimate control of who can use it is tantamount to the implementation of the Mark of the Beast an event listed as Tribulation .
I know that the Great Tribulation scares you but dont worry. You will likely be dead long before from a Nuclear exchange with Russia during the Gog Magog war . The Lord said he would send fire on those that dwells carelessly in the Isles , and be us as far as I can tell .Might as well bend over and kiss your bong good bye now, you ain't getting out of here alive any how .



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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I do believe that you find Zachariah 13 and 14 very interesting . The Lord knows who is his remnant and who will die in the War of Gog and Magog . So many people have left Christianity to convert to Judaism . They think they are Jews and are not . Contamination of the Jewish race has always been a problem . Jesus came through the lineage of David for a reason . 2/3rds of Israel will perish but God will bring his remnant through the Gog / Magog thing .



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