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Romney to welfare mothers: ‘You need to go to work’ !!

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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by rainbowbear
 

Both should end. That still won't make you happy though. The thing you liberals never seem to get about corporations and all other businesses is that THEY DON"T EVER ACTUALLY PAY TAXES. They only collect taxes from individuals. Only individuals ever actually pay taxes. Companies just raise prices to compensate for the cost of the taxes.

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NOT IF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIR GOODS
OR SERVICES, THEY WILL BE FORCED TO LOWER THEIR PRICES!!
IM I YELLING LOUD ENOUGH???

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edit on Mon Apr 16 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: toned down the yelling........




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by ValentineWiggin
Well guess what, they already pay for daycare. It's called ABC Vouchers and you qualify if you have welfare (Now called Family Independence btw) and work or go to school full time. This pays for your child's daycare. Once you are in the FI system you have to search for jobs, return job search forms, and develop a plan in which to get employed as soon as possible. Fantastic, right? In theory.

So your Family Independence support system also includes Food Stamps. AWESOME, now you can actually feed your child. Super.

So you find a job making 9.50 an hour, you have your child in Daycare, you are working 40 hours a week...then guess what? You get that god forsaken perforated paper in the mail from your local DSS office saying "We are sorry, you no longer qualify for FI benefits".

Panic ensues.

Now you have your child enrolled in a Daycare, they are making friends, used to a new routine. Your measley paycheck of what, 640 every two weeks? Is now supposed to cover everything.
So let's break this down...

Your rent is 650 if you are lucky.
Food for you and your child per week is 150 if you are frugal and practically anorexic yourself.
Gas per week is 50 if you don't commute.
Your electricity runs 100 bucks in the dead of summer or cold of winter.
Your water bill is 30-40.
Now you have a daycare bill of 130 bucks a week. 520
Since you no longer qualify for Medicaid you have to pick up your own health care through work. Every two weeks it was 130 bucks for me and my son.

Let's add all that up. 1,630 bucks. You make 1280. Oh yeah, now you cant buy diapers.

You have a respectable job now, you are no longer waiting tables. You have a respectable job now...but you never see your kid and you still can't make ends meet. You have as much money as you did as a waitress on welfare and you saw your kid 4 more hours a day and could also handle going to school part time.

Tell me how this does not keep people within the Welfare system, and I will give you a cookie.
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SO THIS shows you how much ROMNEY actually knows about what he is talking about. NOTHING.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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My husband, who worked right at 26 years for the same company before he was laid off, finally got a 2nd interiew for a job. It pays 9.00 an hour with no benefits for the first year.
He's been trying to start his own business- He's been working like a madman on that. He's made a bit and it has potential, but....it's hard to fund a business on nothing, even when you are getting a few jobs here and there.

I think I have it figured out. Welfare and food stamps are the price that THEY make US pay to keep their competition down.

The price of entry into business is too high for the poor - between license costs, insurance costs, tax codes, and regulations, and then, ok, like I looked at the cost of commercial real estate- about 3800.00 a month with a 2 year lease is the cheapest I found.

Keeping everyone poor keeps new businesses from starting - thus the elite have NO competition to worry about. Nothing will spring up to threaten them. If people make 15k a year, with food stamps keeping them officially OUT of poverty but don't really give them funds to work with- you see where I'm going with this?

It's a new system of slavery. Wake up. NO ONE will be able to 'rise above their class' like that.

No, people should not want to be on welfare and foodstamps. But people should want a fighting chance.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Well if the gravy train ended tomorrow, what would the chronically unemployed do?

There aren't enough jobs, the government created this monster.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by NoAngel2u


If they are receiving welfare and are on a reciprocity program, then they are technically working in exchange for goods, right?
No, if I understand your proposal correctly, they are forced to "volunteer" in order to get their government check. Is that a correct interpretation? or do I misapprehend your proposal?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by TheMindWar
Yeah, nothing like seperating mother from child, how they love to do that.
Stay home with your child, that's fine. Just say NO to stealing from the taxpayers.


sooooo... its ok for the bankers & govt to steal your tax dollars?

please explain.

I'd rather see the $$$ go to a family who needs it ... rather then to some rich corporate cow!
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by NoAngel2u


If they are receiving welfare and are on a reciprocity program, then they are technically working in exchange for goods, right?
No, if I understand your proposal correctly, they are forced to "volunteer" in order to get their government check. Is that a correct interpretation? or do I misapprehend your proposal?
I already agreed with the notion that it wouldn't be a volunteer program, before you even brought it up. lol Obviously, if it is required, it is an exchange of goods for services. Within the community it would be a program to back up community services that are chronically understaffed.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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If they have only paid in hundreds of dollars, are they entitled to thousands or tens of thousands of dollars? It many not be text book stealing, but I consider someone who intentionally works the system to get free money intended to help others truely in need to be committing thieveryof a sort. You know, those people who only work enough during a year to stay under the line to keep getting government money. Those people who don't get married and tell the government that they don't live together, even though they do, to get more money from the government. Those people that pop out 6 kids when they knew full well that they couldn't afford even one without the government paying for it.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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I don't know why Romney want welfare mothers to get a job? When he should known that it not going to help out the economy. It mainly rely sale taxes, not income tax. Even if every person on welfare manage to get a job. The economy will stay the same. True the government will get more money in income taxes and probably allow them to reduce everyone income taxes. But I doubt they will reduce everyone income taxes. They need the money to pay off the dept, which may take them decades to centuries to pay off.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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What's wrong with corporate welfare does not negate what's wrong with public welfare.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
There aren't enough jobs, the government created this monster.
Exactly. The government and all of it's stupid laws and programs are totally screwing up the market place. The government needs to get out of the market place. It's only job in the market should be to ensure a level and safe playing field with no favoritism shown any group in any way. Workplace safety should be handled locally not federally. Banks and companies should only exist locally, at most statewide, not nationally or internationally to ensure real accountability and competition. Corporations should not exist in their current form. They should not have equal rights with people. Selling stock in company is fine. However the managers/board of directors or whatever form they use should be personally liable for any and all illegal actions. If they knowingly poison a river and kill people they should face murder charges and the company itself should be forced to clean up it's mess or be dismantled and it's assets sold to pay for the clean up.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by infowarrior9970

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by TheMindWar
Yeah, nothing like seperating mother from child, how they love to do that.
Stay home with your child, that's fine. Just say NO to stealing from the taxpayers.


sooooo... its ok for the bankers & govt to steal your tax dollars?

please explain.

I'd rather see the $$$ go to a family who needs it ... rather then to some rich corporate cow!
edit on 16-4-2012 by infowarrior9970 because: (no reason given)
Please show me anywhere that I have ever said that.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Flavian
May i just point to all the liberal and left leaning Americans that policies similar to this exist in pretty much every European nation and that, by and large, European states are far more left leaning than even the Democrats in America. In actual fact, the Conservatives in the UK are less right wing than the Democrat party.

If this sort of thing is even seen as fair in lefty Europe, then why not in the US?
Why not move to Europe then. Their economies are doing so well with the systems you desire to implement here. Look at Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal, Italy. They have all of the things you so badly desire. Instead of fighting liberty lovers like myself, why not move where they are doing the things you want? Wouldn't you be happier with less conflict in your life? So, go. Enjoy your socialism and leave us in peace.


One fifth of rich want to flee gloomy Britain-report

uk.reuters.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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and obama's $60 usda prime grade rib eye steak he has for dinner was paid for by you. so is every senators country club expense and steakhouse lunches.

do you eat $60 steaks every night. have all your suits paid for. i don't see you complaining about that. if you didn't vote for the guy, why should you pay his perks, wine and champagne.

yet you rail on a mom, who doesn't know where her next meal is coming from, or has to choose between eating and diapers. who'd probably give you eternal gratitude and thanks if you walked up to her and gave her a $5 tray of meat.

who would you rather honestly give your taxes to, self entitled millionaire senators and politicians so they can spread it to their friends and business associates, or a women suffering with the weight of her childs future in her hands.


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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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it is okay to stay home with a child but once they are off to school.. get a job...

but the statement romney makes begs the question...


what jobs??



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Complaining about 'welfare moms' while agribusiness, the arms industry, auto manufacturers, etc, receive literally billions in welfare is evidence of how incredibly programmed the average American is. They attack the social welfare systems which actually benefit them, while being totally ignorant of even the EXISTENCE of the real Welfare scammers, Big Business.

Corporations don't even pay taxes! And yet social conservatives have been dog-whistle programmed into believing it's some woman receiving a few hundred dollars a month to feed her kids i ssomehow bankrupting the nation. It's sheer idiocy.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Reagan said he would enforce a similar mandate (welfare mothers must be prepared to go to work after their youngest child reaches school-age) we all see how that worked out. No follow through.

On a side note: if the govt. mandated such a thing, can you imagine how many govt. workers would be laid off? less social need = less grunts to push to paper around. It's in their best interest (keep their job) if they keep the people on the social services.

Vicious cycle, it snares more than just the receivers of welfare.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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I guess Romney doesn't think raising a child , keeping the house clean , and cooking isn't as hard as a job. If i prefer to go out and get shot at than have to wipe a babies butt , clean a house , and cook ... that should tell you something.


(I am not trying to be a sexist , however , coming home to a clean house and food is freakin awesome and i hope i can afford for my wife to stay home , if she wants and she better want too lol .)

However , I do see the point with the welfare issue. It cost tax payers a lot of money for a mother to stay home when they can't afford to stay home and not work.

I can see both sides of the argument and if this were put to a vote to the American public , I would abstain as both sides have very valid arguments and i honestly wouldnt mind either way.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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star for you !



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Like hell there's no jobs. Minimum wage jobs are everywhere. Get them out of the house and working. I'd rather pay for the daycare to allow them to work, than pay them not to work. Here's a thought: maybe that minimum wage job leads to promotions? Huh? Promotions lead to more money? Hey, what a concept!

Trust me, the jobs that are not available right now are jobs that most of the welfare crowd doesn't qualify for based on education. Some do, but most don't.



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