Romney to welfare mothers: ‘You need to go to work’ !!

Watching the GOP campaign this time around is like watching the Titanic sink in slow motion

The "ice berg" consists of women and latinos

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by xuenchen

 

You're forgetting the one major factor in all of this...

THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THEM TO DO!

Seriously, are the American people stupid enough to fall for this crap?

If the government can produce the money for welfare,

they can create the jobs.

It's not all that difficult.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by RealSpoke


A lot of welfare moms DO have a job........

Then they need to stop feeding at the taxpayer's trough. We need our money for our bills.

You seem to be under the impression that all on welfare are stealing your money? how much of your tax is allocated to welfare compared to how much is allocated to the government to burn as they wish? i wonder?
Get over it. In Australia we have a low unempoyment rate but even still i don't mind paying tax for those on unemployment benefits as not everyone can work and i think its good to look after each other. Under no circumstances is welfare money attractive to anyone compared to working. Some may abuse the system but considering your country has a huge unemployment rate then why not ease up on those on the sysem and start getting angry with your government for making you all pay too much tax , high cost of living and wasteful spending. Leave the moms alone.



YEAH! LETS GET ANGRY AT WELFARE MOMS WHILE OUR GOVERNMENT SCREWS US EVERY WHICH WAY FINANCIALLY! F***K ROMNEY AND ANY IDIOT WHO STARTS BLAMING THE WELFARE CHEAT FOR THEM NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY THE BILLS. GET A CLUE!

Originally posted by sheba2011

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I would rather everybody take responsibility for their own actions or lack of actions. Sometimes, people need help. That is what churches, families and communities are for. That is why charities exist. It is not the proper function of the federal government. When people NEED help, PEOPLE should help them. Bureaucracies only make things worse and waste more than gets properly used. Government is never the answer to social issues.

Um, Government of the people, for the people, and by the people???

You've got the whole purpose of government wrong. It is for social issues. It is FOR the People.

It is not for the benefit of Corporations, which have been running the show for awhile now, like a wolf in a hen house....but I know you won't understand what I'm saying because it's clear your conditioning has been very thorough. You actually believe what you are saying!

Scary. And sad.

Actually, you have it wrong. The purpose of our government is to "level the playing field" giving every person EQUAL CHANCE to succeed, not to act as guarantor of success or insurer of last resort in case of failure to succeed. Part of the problem now is that government has decided to favor the corporation over the people. That needs to change. Corporations should not have the same rights as people.
Yes I have been conditioned. Conditioned to love LIBERTY and personal freedom. The prerequisites of both are personal responsibility. If I reject government control of my life, I must accept responsibility for my own actions; whether they be right or wrong, whether the outcome be fair or foul. I cannot put a gun to your head and say "I screwed up, give me money so I don't starve", neither can I hire the government to do so. Personal freedom, the right to self determination REQUIRES personal responsibility. Our forefathers saw that our republic would die when the electorate realized that they could vote themselves the largess of the national treasury. Their foresight is now proven accurate. WAKE UP before we are completely enslaved. A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it all away.

Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by xuenchen

 

You're forgetting the one major factor in all of this...

THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THEM TO DO!

Seriously, are the American people stupid enough to fall for this crap?

If the government can produce the money for welfare,

they can create the jobs.

It's not all that difficult.

"Not that difficult".....riiiiiiiiiiight

I guess they're just living them high because they want to, right?

If the Child care is to be state provided, why do people still have an objection to this? Sorry for being stupid but i do not understand the objections? Surely it is better for people to work than to fester at home.......

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by RealSpoke


A lot of welfare moms DO have a job........

Then they need to stop feeding at the taxpayer's trough. We need our money for our bills.

Just like the banks... I think I would rather help out some trailer trash kids than fat cat bankers... I wonder what old Mit's stand is on giving bailouts...

Anyway the point is moot, he will never be President, he is just a stocking filler.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by sheba2011

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I would rather everybody take responsibility for their own actions or lack of actions. Sometimes, people need help. That is what churches, families and communities are for. That is why charities exist. It is not the proper function of the federal government. When people NEED help, PEOPLE should help them. Bureaucracies only make things worse and waste more than gets properly used. Government is never the answer to social issues.

Um, Government of the people, for the people, and by the people???

You've got the whole purpose of government wrong. It is for social issues. It is FOR the People.

It is not for the benefit of Corporations, which have been running the show for awhile now, like a wolf in a hen house....but I know you won't understand what I'm saying because it's clear your conditioning has been very thorough. You actually believe what you are saying!

Scary. And sad.

Actually, you have it wrong. The purpose of our government is to "level the playing field" giving every person EQUAL CHANCE to succeed, not to act as guarantor of success or insurer of last resort in case of failure to succeed. Part of the problem now is that government has decided to favor the corporation over the people. That needs to change. Corporations should not have the same rights as people.
Yes I have been conditioned. Conditioned to love LIBERTY and personal freedom. The prerequisites of both are personal responsibility. If I reject government control of my life, I must accept responsibility for my own actions; whether they be right or wrong, whether the outcome be fair or foul. I cannot put a gun to your head and say "I screwed up, give me money so I don't starve", neither can I hire the government to do so. Personal freedom, the right to self determination REQUIRES personal responsibility. Our forefathers saw that our republic would die when the electorate realized that they could vote themselves the largess of the national treasury. Their foresight is now proven accurate. WAKE UP before we are completely enslaved. A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it all away.

And how do those who want to become accountable for themselves, live in a self suffcient way in 21st century america? You talk about the enslavement system yet you fail to realise that it is not possible to become self reliable under this system WITHOUT participating IN IT.

Originally posted by Starchildren
This country can spend BILLIONS of dollars on war, but by God, don't you DARE ask for help feeding children in THIS country. NO. Let's keep pumping money into the war machine so we can kill other people's families over in other countries. To hell with this country, and whatever people need. Eliminate welfare, keep making bombs. Yeah, that's the ticket.

This is where you are wrong. I support neither entitlement programs nor the empire building being pursued by TPTB. The military should be for defense only. All foreign and corporate aid should be ended. The income tax should be ended. Don't punish work, punish consumption. The government should institute protectionist tariffs on all imports. This will raise the effective costs of imports allowing American manufacturing to be competitive. You cannot have "free trade" with slave wage nations unless you want your own people to make slave wages. It is that simple. End all free trade agreements. Charge a "job exit fee" for all jobs sent over seas. Then slap tariffs on the imports. Disallow national banks. Make all banks operate only within states. If your bank operates in Virginia, it cannot have branches in North Carolina. This will end the extreme concentrations of wealth where 5 or so mega banks now control all of the capital and credit in our country. END THE FED!!!! Return to Constitutional, congressional control of our currency. Peg currency value to GDP. I accept the argument that there are not enough precious metals in existence to support our present economy; I think the argument is untrue, but let's accept it and use another measuring stick; the point is to peg it to something fairly concrete in order to avoid unwarranted fluctuation and speculation. I could write an entire manifesto on how to save our nation, but this is OT enough for now.

Originally posted by Starchildren


Lifetime vacation? Huh? In the state of Montana you can only take welfare for a period of 3 years. That's it. No more. Does not matter how many children you have. You can get it 3 years and you are cut off.

Also, you HAVE to prove you are actively seeking and obtaining employment, if you are not disabled. If you do not abide by this, you cannot keep getting SNAP benefits.

A fantastic first step. I could almost support a system like that.

Originally posted by Starchildren


And that is YOU and YOUR adult choices. If I saw children living a van with broken teeth and eating pickles out of a jar, I'd be finding a way to help them seek assistance. There are reasons why programs exist. It's to help keep people healthy and from living like that. If you as an adult want to exist this way that's your choice, but I would not want to see a child living this way. As someone who worked for Red Cross, I've seen people living in cars dragging their children around with nothing to eat but a taco from taco bell all day. I've seen sick adults and children. Just because they landed in that situation or made some mistakes in life, does not mean they SHOULD have to live that way.

No, they should not have to live that way. That is what churches and charities are for. It is not a function of government.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
So why didn't his wife go back to work? Oh wait, she had no work to go back to

Hypocrisy

But I guess when your husband runs a financial institution that's ok. He destroyed jobs that those welfare moms could have gotten, for his short term profit. But ya know, nothing is worse than a welfare mom, right?

edit on 15-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

She didn't have to go back to work. Her husband was making enough money. Welfare mothers need to support their offspring, not the tax payers. If you have a child it's your responsibility to provide for it.....NOT me or any other taxpayer. I believe wellfare is good for helping out. It shouldn't be a crutch or a means to be lazy while the rest of us pay the way.

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Starwise

 

and, you would rather pay for so they can work???

seriously, have you any idea how much childcare costs?? the gov't could concievably end up paying more just so they can work!!
and then there's the fact that for every job they take, is one less job that some non-welfare person could have, which just might end up putting them on welfare.....

This is where you socialist suffer epic failure. This woman is home with her kids all day, but has no money. There are plenty of people that would love to have a caring mother care for their kids while they have to work. In a true free market economy, she could take in some of those children and get paid for doing so. Eventually, she might grow beyond what she can do by herself and find some other unemployed mothers. She could then either hire them or form a daycare network with them. This would be a win-win-win for "society", the working women and the now working women running their daycare businesses. The motivation for doing such is removed with the current system due to excessive governmental influence and the very existence of the welfare system. Then there are those who collect welfare and still run unlicensed daycare out of their homes, but that is another thread.

Originally posted by luccadeo
Good, I always thought that welfare recipients should work for the state to earn their welfare checks. Let them clean up streets or any other series of infrastructure maintenance.

problem...then what do the people already hired to do that do?...are they laid off? actions have consequences, and they should be accounted for before implimentations of programs.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


The average daycare charges over $200 to $250 a week per kid, even if the person gets a $15 an hour job, that won't even cover day care, there is no dignity in working so you can lose money on daycare. That is just bad business.

The only answer to this that can ever actually work is for employers to start paying a livable wage to their eployees. If you work for a company, you should at least be paid enough to afford your companies services, which is not the case today. Most poor people are in a rutt, where they can't afford to work, and they can't afford not to.

At my house, we can't afford daycare with 3 incomes, so we have to work opposite shifts just to avoid daycare costs. Then you live as a single parent though, with one parent always absent, except that 1 day a week on Sunday where we are both there. She is sleeping for her shift hat night though, so it isn't even close to family time.

Try not to be so judgemental, everyone doesn't get lucky enough to have a good job, or financial security, despite hard work and determination. I imagine that when warren buffet says things like your only poor because your lazy, that you feel offended, well in this case, your the guy that got lucky, talking down on someone that didn't, acting like luck had no role in your sucess, or their lck therof

Originally posted by Indigo2


And how do those who want to become accountable for themselves, live in a self suffcient way in 21st century america? You talk about the enslavement system yet you fail to realise that it is not possible to become self reliable under this system WITHOUT participating IN IT.

That IS the problem. We need to address the extreme government intrusion into our lives, not accept it as normal. End property taxes and income taxes. Then, suddenly, IT IS POSSIBLE. Without those two taxes, it is no longer necessary to participate in the system.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

And I can get foodstamps but chose not to.

Your point?

I'm not the one talking down on people. If they pay into it they are entitled to take from it, end of story. If you dislike like the program then you should have the problem with the welfare itself, not the recipients.

And your posts just proved my point of the elitist attitude you have, thanks for doing that.

edit on 15-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

The problem is ALOT of these people have NEVER paid into it. Entire families that have lived for generations off the system. And most have no desire to change it.

Typical welfare attitude:

www.youtube.com...

Seems these "small govt" advocates would also love to deny the rest of social services. How about war vets and the VA system? End that too? How many more returning soldiers would kill themselves if that happened? On the same note, how many poor moms would go off the deep end currently without health insurance and pushed further into oblivion? How much do you REALLY think, in dollar amount, a welfare recipient receives. You truly think they and their children are living the high life corporate welfare ceos do? You and your "all for me, go die" ayn rand ilk, by definition go against your so beloved and much spouted christianity's teachings. Therefore YOU are the true antichrists. Hypocrites.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


We spend three times as much on corporate welfare then we do in social welfare.

Example: 1995

Corporate Welfare: $167Billion
Social Welfare: $52 Billion

SOURCE

In 1994, the United States spent $104.3 billion on corporate welfare, while spending only $14.4 billion on Aid to Families with Dependent Children

SOURCE

I would rather spend my taxes on helping American people survive then spend it on Corporations, or wars.

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