Romney to welfare mothers: ‘You need to go to work’ !!

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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Actually yeah statistically they have, and a lot are still working and pay into it every pay check. They aren't forcing anything from you, the government does. Stop blaming them, they were "forced" to pay in just as you were. But you don't want to hear that, you want to keep the illusion that you are somehow a better human being than them because they are poor.
You know what happens when you ASSume? I have been there. I lived in my van for a long time. I have been down to pennies in my pocket. I have had a broken ankle with no health insurance. I have had two broken teeth with no dental insurance. I have had days where the only food I ate was a jar of pickles I found on the side of the road. Not once did I use the force of government to make someone else pay for MY mistakes. I learned some tough lessons that have stood me well since then. Others can do the same thing I did.


And that is YOU and YOUR adult choices. If I saw children living a van with broken teeth and eating pickles out of a jar, I'd be finding a way to help them seek assistance. There are reasons why programs exist. It's to help keep people healthy and from living like that. If you as an adult want to exist this way that's your choice, but I would not want to see a child living this way. As someone who worked for Red Cross, I've seen people living in cars dragging their children around with nothing to eat but a taco from taco bell all day. I've seen sick adults and children. Just because they landed in that situation or made some mistakes in life, does not mean they SHOULD have to live that way.




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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I would say work if your kid is over 5 and has no special needs...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
He's a moron!!

Day care would not cost the state more than paying for the other benefits. What it would do is dump hundreds of thousands of people into the workplace...a workplace that is already suffering from high unemployment rates as it is. What jobs does he expect them to do? A lot of those welfare mothers have very little education, and jobs aren't exactly easy to come by at the moment. They would likely end up as WORKING POORS.

End result?

- Kids see their moms less
- Daycare providers make a fortune (somebody check his donors list...but of course we can't track SuperPACs)
- States save a bit most likely
- Welfare recipients turn into working poors

Overall, doesn't sound like it's worth it.


The real reason is that he hopes to further cut benefits while selling it to the people as a "benefit"...just so he can continue to pay for those tax breaks for the top 1% and his corporate donors. After all, corporate welfare isn't socialsim, right?


And you know what the largest irony is? He says he wants to do all that to give those mothers the "dignity of a job". ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? After all the "Democrats wage a war on moms" crap, he wants to give those very moms a job because of dignity??? OMFG the GOP has really lost it, no direction, no ethics, no "for the people", just a ton of childish political games
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there's a good chance that the daycare will cost more than the women would be making at wal mart. and the state will pay for that. then, they will also consider her transportation costs, clothing allowance, and meals while at work when the figure out her benefits...
net result....
taxpayer pays more...
she gets the same allotment of food stamps, her check (which like I said, more than likely doesn't even pay for the child care), new clothes, a car if needed, or bus ticket, ect.... in reality, she will be given more by the state than if she was home with her kids...

and well...
the employer gets a emplyee who isn't gonna gripe about the near minimum wage job that isn't paying the bills, since it doesn't have to, the taxpayer is!!!

but, hey, she's working, that's all some people care about....
as if staying at home and taking care of her kids wasn't work!!!


if it's not work, why does it cost so danged much for childcare to begin with...oh ya, those child care workers work hard!!! those child care centers deserve every penny they earn!!!

but good luck to all those stay at home, non welfare moms who's hubby's have been laid off and are hoping to find a job to help out with the budget!!! hiring the welfare mom will come with a tax credit....you won't!! can you take a guess at who they will hire????



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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Most recipients are able to work.

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Of course, this would only apply to people who are not disabled or handicapped.
(probably the majority of recipients)



So which is it? It can't be both.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
So why didn't his wife go back to work? Oh wait, she had no work to go back to

Hypocrisy

But I guess when your husband runs a financial institution that's ok. He destroyed jobs that those welfare moms could have gotten, for his short term profit. But ya know, nothing is worse than a welfare mom, right?


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Do people forget that raising children is a job? Also, do not lie, if your spouse was rich and you had the choice to raise your own children, wouldn't you? If you (meaning people in general) dont want the responsibility to raise your own children, don't have them!

I feel bad for welfare moms, but damn, if you can work, you better at least try to work. I'm tired of paying for it. I work my tail off for some of these parents to kick back and watch their soaps all day?? Not right. Some of these people actually learn in their church how to manipulate the system.....It drives me insane to hear people talking about how to do it!!!!!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:30 AM
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ya, it can....

I've seen people pull up into that handicapped parking spot at the store, jump out of the car, and run inside, literally, run!!

me, even if the building I was in was on fire, you wouldn't see me run!! walk fast maybe, but not run!!
because I can't run!!!

guess which one is working???



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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and, you would rather pay for so they can work???

seriously, have you any idea how much childcare costs?? the gov't could concievably end up paying more just so they can work!!
and then there's the fact that for every job they take, is one less job that some non-welfare person could have, which just might end up putting them on welfare.....



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
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What he is saying is work for the government with the welfare check as their paycheck....not just sitting on the couch while hardworking taxpayers cover their arse.



SO YOU ARE SAYING MS ROMNEY SAT ON HER *** WHILE HER HUSBAND WORKED?

Romney's plan isn't about tax payer dollars because daycare will be pretty close to the cost of welfare.
It would be one thing if he was talking money- he was talking "dignity".

What this guy is saying is it's ok for the rich to stay home with their kids but not the poor!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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It would be nice if politicians concentrated on what they can change, rather than pushing buttons about social issues to get elected.

But then they wouldn't get elected...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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I bet you my bottom dollar that those women on Welfare NEVER WORKED A DAY IN THEIR LIVES!!!!

Funny how the Democratic numb skulls love to spew complete and utter B.S about a candidate's wife along these lines without realizing who else gets dragged into the fight of word, -their own constituents.

I say shut off the payments for a couple of months.... they work.

Or, at the least, issue a broom and shovel & then assign them a certain area that is Public Property to keep clean (near the house etc). When the weekly inspections take place...

No Clean... No MONEY. And, you get to teach them some good work ethics. It's a Win Win for us taxpayers.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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People can't "will" jobs. There are plenty of places with your attitudes towards the poor. Mostly third world countries.

Guess what- in those places children starve to death.

Welfare just barely covers basic needs such as a roach invested apartment and food that doesn't even last until the end of the month. It's no vacation.

Watching children is work - some of the most important work in the world.

How dare Romney accuse poor mothers of needing a "real" job.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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I think it's disgusting that people need money just to survive. I think things like basic food, water and shelter should be human rights and not privilages you are entitled to if you serve the bankers and their money system.


Originally posted by xuenchen
And he has a plan to go with it.

He would pay to provide daycare for the welfare kids as well !!


The likes of Romney and his mates shouldn't be allowed near childern, let along providing daycare centres for them.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by DarthMuerte
 


Then blame the government, do not blame the recipient. Statistically, they have paid into the pool so are entitled to take from it. They were "forced' to pay into it just like you were. It is called a social program, something most third world countries lack.


I would rather my neighbor receive food stamps that I have paid into than starve to death, I'm sorry that you feel otherwise.
edit on 15-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)


Don't waste your time on the Ayn Rand objectivists. Their hero has them convinced they are being stolen from. The best part of it though is said hero had no problem stealing from them when faced with the possibility of losing her money at the end of her life.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
Why do people think just because they were born, somebody owes them a living or anything else?

It always seems to be the same mindset that believes in evolution and Darwinism turns a blind eye to survival of the fittest.

I know that is harsh, but enough is enough...if you want social programs and prizes bestowed on you because mother nature stuck you here then go to a socialist country...don't make America into one.


Why is it the mouth breathers have a hard time understanding that survival of the fittest is worst possible way to run a society? It is the most violent way you could possibly run things, because guess what happens? The many you are holding under your boot will eventually turn to force to become the fittest.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by thov420

Originally posted by xuenchen
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Most recipients are able to work.

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Of course, this would only apply to people who are not disabled or handicapped.
(probably the majority of recipients)



So which is it? It can't be both.



I'm not sure you understand.

Try quoting the entire post and start over.

What's the question ?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Strange, the same people bullying and accusing the poor of STEALING from there are mysteriously absent from creating threads rabidly demanding the end of all wars, the criminal prosecution of the wallstreeters, elite bankers and the corrupt DoD. How about demanding the rich be denied their massive tax breaks which is a TRUE way of stealing from the tax payer. Nope, just as the deluded, man-children they are, it is easier to pick on the defenseless poor rather than on the elite criminals they, in their ultimate mediocrity, aspire to be.

Dont forget many of these bigots equal the poor, working or not, with minorities.

"My money going for wars and the elite? Good. Their skin looks like mine, we all like golf so basically (yeah right) I belong to their club. Hell, I listen to and agree with Rush too! Black/brown kids, struggling moms, the elderly and infirm? Let them contribute $$$ to "us" or die."

Sickening to the extreme. Shut off the am radio and open your souls you inhuman trash.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by TheMindWar
Yeah, nothing like seperating mother from child, how they love to do that.
Stay home with your child, that's fine. Just say NO to stealing from the taxpayers.


Exactly my point too. Stay at home if you want, but stop buying all those fancy toys and televisions and cellular phones so you can afford to feed your child instead of asking the hard working Americans to do it while you hang out and do drugs on the taxpayer dime.


wow!!!, yeah, no stereotyping there.......that's what ALL PEOPLE do, that are on welfare. and you have some proof of this massive theft?.....all those damn poor people stealing money from taxpayers, we do have all those FEMA camps sitting empty, let's put them in there.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Good, I always thought that welfare recipients should work for the state to earn their welfare checks. Let them clean up streets or any other series of infrastructure maintenance.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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I have got absolutely no problem with that at all. It is the same here in the UK too. I know a fair few single mums and none of them have a problem with actually going out and working for a living. Obviously, things are not so easy but then being a single parent isn't easy. Hell, being a parent as part of a couple isn't easy!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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You're forgetting the one major factor in all of this...

THERE ARE NO JOBS FOR THEM TO DO!

Seriously, are the American people stupid enough to fall for this crap?





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