Romney to welfare mothers: ‘You need to go to work’ !!

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Actually yeah statistically they have, and a lot are still working and pay into it every pay check. They aren't forcing anything from you, the government does. Stop blaming them, they were "forced" to pay in just as you were. But you don't want to hear that, you want to keep the illusion that you are somehow a better human being than them because they are poor.

You know what happens when you ASSume? I have been there. I lived in my van for a long time. I have been down to pennies in my pocket. I have had a broken ankle with no health insurance. I have had two broken teeth with no dental insurance. I have had days where the only food I ate was a jar of pickles I found on the side of the road. Not once did I use the force of government to make someone else pay for MY mistakes. I learned some tough lessons that have stood me well since then. Others can do the same thing I did.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Yeah, because people really want to be poor.

People want to lose their job

Do you live in reality?

Again you ASSume.

reply to post by DarthMuerte


And I can get foodstamps but chose not to.

Your point?

I'm not the one talking down on people. If they pay into it they are entitled to take from it, end of story. If you dislike like the program then you should have the problem with the welfare itself, not the recipients.

And your posts just proved my point of the elitist attitude you have, thanks for doing that.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

And I can get foodstamps but chose not to.

Your point?

I'm not the one talking down on people. If they pay into it they are entitled to take from it, end of story. If you don't like the government program then you should have the problem with the program, not the recipients.

We need a clue on aisle 7 please. Would the program exist without recipients??? Take a minute, think a little. Would the program exist without recipients? It isn't a hard question.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by xuenchen

 

First off, you don't want a lot of these people working on public projects. They are not engineers.

Secondly, minimum wage doesn't nearly cover the cost of living for one person. And the cost of living is not equal across the country.

In my area, the average rent for a one bedroom apt is 1000, 1500 for a two bedroom. The cost of living for my county for a family to get by is 80k a year.

Daycare is insane, the average daycare is 325 a week.

So just for a family to pay rent and daycare, so for just rent and daycare for just one child, your looking at 2500 a month.

So just to cover basics, transportation, food, clothes, meds, rent and daycare, you have to make a minimum of 40,000 a year.

THAT is why people need welfare.

Well they could have one engineer teach everybody how to use a broom and dustpan. 5 minute course.
(on the job training)

Daycare was part of the plan -- no cost to the recipient. Other qualified recipients do the work.

If the cost of living is so high for current recipients that don't work, how do they get by now ?

reply to post by DarthMuerte


I don't know. FEMA fiat expenses exist for future disasters. The TSA exists without a real amount of plane bound terrorists.

The recipients, statistically, have paid into the pool just like you. They are no different than anyone else. The program exists because poverty exists. Would you rather the USA take a more Liberian root and start eating one another?

reply to post by DarthMuerte

I have had days where the only food I ate was a jar of pickles I found on the side of the road.

You never mentioned what will happen when 10 million plus people are "looking" for a jar of pickles on the side of the road.

You sir lack the common decensy that you are trying to bestow on people with your holier than thou attitude.

Do me a favor and calculate exactly how much of your federal contributions go towards welfar/foodstamps. But I bet you will not do so because you would rather look like an a$$, all while trying to sound educated about it.

For anyone to say that crime rate will go down if aid is cut, what will the crime rate be when people cannot find work and they have no food to feed themselves and their family?

I find comments such as yours to be truly unamerican and you should be ashamed of yourself. But then, you think that you are right in your stance on "screw you guys".

If you did not take advantage of any program that could have helped your situation, then that is your fault for being too proud.

I am not sticking up for all recipients, just the ones that do try to make it in todays society that is full of people such as yourself.

I would rather everybody take responsibility for their own actions or lack of actions. Sometimes, people need help. That is what churches, families and communities are for. That is why charities exist. It is not the proper function of the federal government. When people NEED help, PEOPLE should help them. Bureaucracies only make things worse and waste more than gets properly used. Government is never the answer to social issues.

I doubt if this type of hate inspired rhetoric will win Romney any votes.

I'm not voting for Obama...just against Romney.

Romney is just pandering to the GOP conservative base. Sadly that demographic isn't enough to win him the election.

Obama 4 more years. With out the votes of females and Latinos; that Romney has already lost; He's toast!

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

I have had days where the only food I ate was a jar of pickles I found on the side of the road.

You never mentioned what will happen when 10 million plus people are "looking" for a jar of pickles on the side of the road.

You sir lack the common decensy that you are trying to bestow on people with your holier than thou attitude.

Ahh, the pseudo intellectual communist/socialist mantra. When you know you are wrong attack the person on their "lack of character" or refusal to "care" about the plight of others. Sorry, "sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here". Force and government are not the answers. We have been stealing money from taxpayers for 50 years now, and the problem just keeps growing. Einstein said "the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over with expectations of a different outcome"; or words to that effect. Government is not the answer. Forced redistribution of wealth is not the answer to poverty.

Originally posted by seagrass
I doubt if this type of hate inspired rhetoric will win Romney any votes.

I'm not voting for Obama...just against Romney.

Romney is just pandering to the GOP conservative base. Sadly that demographic isn't enough to win him the election.

Obama 4 more years. With out the votes of females and Latinos; that Romney has already lost; He's toast!

edit on 15-4-2012 by seagrass because: (no reason given)

Obamney and Rombama are the same. There is no real difference except slightly different levels of melanin.

It took me all of 5 minutes.......5 minutes, to find out what Romney should've know before he opened his mouth.The job market is stagnant. For every job opening there are, on average, 6 people applying for it. The competition is stiff and the longer you're out of work the stiffer it gets. Finding and getting a job is a job in and of itself. Romney is out of touch.

www.bls.gov...

www.bls.gov...

www.bls.gov...

wiki.answers.com...

www.msnbc.msn.com...

(The last 2 especially)

If you're a welfare mother with a 2 year old child I can all but guarantee that you've been unemployed for roughly 2 years and 9 months. Maybe more. How many people do you know who are in a financial position where they should ask for government assistance......don't. I don't know of any. You think a mother who lives in a poor part of town, even middle class at this point, is going to go out and look for a job 2 months after they give birth so they can increase their odds of getting work? Sorry, that's not going to happen. If me and a woman in this position were both applying for a job I would probably end up getting it even though she may be more qualified. Why? Because the employer would look at our personal positions and see that I'm less tied down at home, therefore can give more to the company. That's just the way it works regardless of what all these equal opportunity laws might otherwise tell you.

Ann says that her and her husband care about people who struggle. I for one don't really care if they care about the "strugglers" or not. I would rather they be educated to the realities of what Americans have to go through. I would rather they have the knowledge enough to be able to see through the statistics and into day to day operations of this business we call the American way of life because the business is going bankrupt. Caring about a problem isn't going to fix it Ann. Some of the most successful women out there today are that way because they've able to disassociate their feelings from what it is they do for a living and as a result, end up being at the top of their game. and some can even do it in such a short time frame that they can afford to slow down, let a man take over just long enough to where they can start a family. Take a cue from how that's done Ann, because THAT'S taking care of business.

People like the Romney's are never going to be able to see through statistics though because they've spent their entire lives on the other side of the fence making money based off statistics like that. I'm not mad at them because of that, that's simply the life they were born into, I'm just saying that they shouldn't assume that everyone else is going to buy into all that "we care" crap because everyone knows they don't. Look at his eyes and tell me that man cares. It was never their station in life to do so, so don't try to tell me otherwise. They also shouldn't assume that everyone is going to believe them when they say they have a solution to the financial problems America faces. They don't. Nobody does because no one can pinpoint exactly what went wrong and where. Don't patronize me. I may not make as much money in one year that he does in one day, but I'm not stupid.

reply to post by DarthMuerte

Force and government are not the answers.

Well please be my guest and write up a bill and sell it to congress.

Because all of your ranting and raving about poor people stealing from you here on ATS is really doing good for your cause.

While I can agree with some of your stances on the government, you have to realize that this is the system in which we have, and not you nor me can do anything about it. I guess this is why you spend your time bitching about it on ATS.

I didn't write the bills and make the laws. I have to live with it and unfortunately so do you.

The poor do not make the laws friend.

You can complain about it here on ATS until your fingers turn black and blue from typing. It will make no dent in what goes on in congress.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


No No !!

Romney will have a plan to reduce unemployment down to 3%.

Watch and see !!

And if he listens to my plan, he will solve the whole problem.

Nothing in the welfare systems has ever solved a single problem.

Has it ?

Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Well please be my guest and write up a bill and sell it to congress.

I don't control a multi-billion dollar company, so my opinion doesn't matter. Congress has specifically decided to create this dependent class of people in order to ensure they get re-elected. The only chance is to either get everybody to quit working and go on the dole thus destroying the system; or get all of those on the dole to wake up and end their servitude. They are slaves bought and paid for with small monthly stipends stolen from the rest of us. Worst of all they embrace their slavery and people like you enable it.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Taupin Desciple

 

No No !!

Romney will have a plan to reduce unemployment down to 3%.

Watch and see !!

And if he listens to my plan, he will solve the whole problem.

Nothing in the welfare systems has ever solved a single problem.

Has it ?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. True, the welfare system adds more problems then it subtracts, but does putting people on work programs like cleaning up highways put food on their table? Does adding to the jobs that are part time only ( therefore no health benefits) help the economy as a whole? I think not. It might take them off welfare but they're no better off financially (YOU'RE the one who pointed that out) then they were before, therefore no more money than before is pumped back into the economy. Ultimately.....no change except for the fact that less taxpayer dollars are being put into a system to enable people not to work.

Yours is a good idea, don't get me wrong, and it sounds like a good place to start. I just don't think it's going to solve all the problems.



Bringing back the jobs that went overseas

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
The only chance is to either get everybody to quit working and go on the dole thus destroying the system; or get all of those on the dole to wake up and end their servitude.

Sounds like the latter of those two options would dictate that the former happens. In other words, waking up doesn't mean that more jobs are automatically going to become available. The people are going to have no choice but to go on the dole, plant a garden and give a middle finger to the system.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple

Where will you plant that garden? They already stole most of the homes in America. Those on the dole will likely be stuck in "public" housing, eventually.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Taupin Desciple

 

No No !!

Romney will have a plan to reduce unemployment down to 3%.

Watch and see !!

And if he listens to my plan, he will solve the whole problem.

Nothing in the welfare systems has ever solved a single problem.

Has it ?

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. True, the welfare system adds more problems then it subtracts, but does putting people on work programs like cleaning up highways put food on their table? Does adding to the jobs that are part time only ( therefore no health benefits) help the economy as a whole? I think not. It might take them off welfare but they're no better off financially (YOU'RE the one who pointed that out) then they were before, therefore no more money than before is pumped back into the economy. Ultimately.....no change except for the fact that less taxpayer dollars are being put into a system to enable people not to work.

Yours is a good idea, don't get me wrong, and it sounds like a good place to start. I just don't think it's going to solve all the problems.



Bringing back the jobs that went overseas

Most who get welfare also already have medicaid.
If they don't, give it to 'em with the job.

Putting people to work gives them ...... 3-2-1 ..... Money.

Money buys food for the table.

Just compare welfare money to minimum wage part time.

Unless of course, we just raise the welfare to let's say, triple the current amounts.
(no work required)

Originally posted by xuenchen
Romney to welfare mothers: ‘You need to go to work’
By David Edwards
Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:58 EDT -- The Raw Story


Romney said it ... yes he did !! Last January in New Hampshire.

People on welfare assistance need to have the responsibility to work !!
(he said words to that effect)

And he has a plan to go with it.

I agree!
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