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Oh America Your So Fine,Your So Fine You Blow My Mind

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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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your preaching to the choir on here lol kind of seems pointless. Most of us Americans who have figured it out are surrounded by people with blinders and ear muff on that not to say it isn't with good reason. First off its real easy to say wake up do something dangerous risk your life's, jobs, freedoms"what freedoms we have left" to stop the biggest war machine in history while you watch from your tele or what ever you call a tv.You act like we can just assemble a massive army on a whim lol no its going to take something more. The population is dumbed down, medicated, fed lies and entertained with stupidity and the rest who follow politics are to focused on who's right and who's wrong or left vs right to see the true enemy. The few outcast like us come to places like this knowing we are probably being watched and put on a list but we do it in the hope that maybe it will get the ball rolling but sadly we are crazy,kooks,nut jobs, according to the mass media where the lazy population gets its education from and they have a much larger audience and bank account.

The fact is the government will slowly take away freedoms and make carefully planning on not waking up public. There will be no Internet cutoff switch or martial law until the noose is firmly around our necks. And i know most people agree with you, But most of us know its a tall order while you make it sound like a geico commercial "so easy a cave man can do it" I think that's your problem and thats why most people have an issue with you addressing it




posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Don't care about my credit rating as I have no cards


Damn your education system.

Think Standard and Poors. See this is why you guys are in so much trouble. Why you cannot see the impending doom. Few of you have an understanding of how things work.

Credit cards

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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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Don't care about my credit rating as I have no cards


Damn your education system.

Think Standard and Poors. See this is why you guys are in so much trouble. Why you cannot see the impending doom. Few of you have an understanding of how things work.

Credit cards

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Oh,let me change my beliefs then since you know,Australia rocks and all.DOWN WITH AMERICA!ZOMG they suck!Worst country in the world! It's their fault for other countries problems! DEATH TO THE USA! ZOMG!

Was that better?Does that fall in line with your thinking?Perhaps you Aussies should try and step up to the plate?Oh wait you won't.Because if you do you'll be calling on us for help!



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Was that better?Does that fall in line with your thinking?Perhaps you Aussies should try and step up to the plate?Oh wait you won't.Because if you do you'll be calling on us for help!


See I tried to give you a learning moment. You could be on google right now learning about the problem you face due to your Countries lowered Credit Rating. They are talking about downgrading America again you know. But instead you bang on with the '"this guy hates America thing"

And you can keep your help. China is our friend. Our strong economy is linked to them. By remaining America's allies we invite attack from China. America does nothing but hurt Australia.

Recently you have started to send Marines here and are talking about setting up a drone base. You make us a target,you dont protect us. You also risk our strong economy by annoying China. Keep your 'help'.

PostScrpt- China increases military spending while you continue to make cuts. You guys cant beat China.

Not only does Rome Burn but the barbarian's are at the gate.

Wake up genius.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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Bring it American's. Flame away. I will learn you some things



I want to help you all.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Come to Australia. Its awesome.


please dont, we like our country without too much drama.


Germanicus please dont invite every tom, dick and harry here. we want to be as far away from america as possible.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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Was that better?Does that fall in line with your thinking?Perhaps you Aussies should try and step up to the plate?Oh wait you won't.Because if you do you'll be calling on us for help!


See I tried to give you a learning moment. You could be on google right now learning about the problem you face due to your Countries lowered Credit Rating. They are talking about downgrading America again you know. But instead you bang on with the '"this guy hates America thing"

And you can keep your help. China is our friend. Our strong economy is linked to them. By remaining America's allies we invite attack from China. America does nothing but hurt Australia.

Recently you have started to send Marines hear and are talking about setting up a drone base. You make us a target,you dont protect us. You also risk our strong economy by annoying China. Keep your 'help'.

PostScrpt- China increases military spending while you continue to make cuts. You guys cant beat China.

Not only does Rome Burn but the barbarian's are at the gate.

Wake up genius.
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Maybe it just you want to start a fight over the internet with American's. Your jingoistic nature and obvious hypocrisy is kind of funny to me. On one end you voice your hate for Americans thinking they are better just for being American then turn around and do the same thing because of what credit rating? You claim your intellectually superior because of your education system yet do not see when your condemning people for the same thing you your self are doing.

Also I get the feeling your the type of guy that likes to kick people when they are down. have fun being china's cheerleader but don't expect us American's to give a damn once they take all your jobs which they will once they flood your market with cheap crap and buy off your politicians.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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I dont blame you for not wanting American influence politically and militarily. I'd be pissed. It looks like you have some housecleaning to do with your own government, as we do in ours. As far as citizenry goes, I'm happy that our two countries are buddies. I don't like seeing our military post up to the extent that they are in Australia, but I'm happy that our military will have your back if you are ever threatened by another superpower.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Maybe it just you want to start a fight over the internet with American's. Your jingoistic nature and obvious hypocrisy is kind of funny to me.
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You are a funny guy yourself. I think the ignorance of American's is more annoying than your arrogance. Im not trying to fight with you but I need to bait a little so I can provide learning moment's for you. My hope is that at least one American read's this and actually learn's something. Like the guy that doesnt understand about your Credit Rating works and its significance. I hope that guy takes some time to learn about it now that I have highlighted his ignorance on the matter.

Im just trying to help you guys.

Edit- And Im not saying all American's are ignorant and arrogant. Many American's protest your government. They are true patriots. Tea Party/OWS. The rest of you are passive and complicit. Or worse cheerleaders.

Many denier's too it seem's.


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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:48 AM
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Interesting conversation here. I'm American. Have you ever visited America? You should, some parts are very beautiful. I've never been to your country and really don't desire to. All I know of your country is Steve Irwin, Crocodile Dundee, would they sum up your country or would that be a stereotype?

I do understand what you are saying though, I do not hate America, I think that we've been hijacked though. We're building more hospitals everywhere but alot of people don't have insurance, hmmm, strange to me. I think our country could be better and indeed lots of people in America think the same thing. The way the economy is in America has nothing to do with every day citizens.

Just for discussion sake I will say this, Australia killed off alot of native peoples in the beginning. So did America. And they (America) wants to fight terrorism, since when? Should we blame our current populations for these past atrocites? NO! We should all move forward and make it better.

What you see on television is NOT America. America's biggest export is Porn and if you go to some foreign countries I've heard the men there think the women here are just like these women, loose and ready for action. We are not. American Government is screwing over their own citizens, outsourcing jobs, now even Indians are going back to India and are faring better. Even their jobs have been sent to their home country
Funny as hell that one.

Come to America, visit and see if the thinking is the same. If we can just get all races here to love and respect one another our country can once again be Ace. Everything is possible.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 05:59 AM
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thanks for adding. Australia's Government is as bad as yours thats for sure. They hurt us by pandering to your country. The way they fawned over Obama when he was here recently made me sick.

And I know some American's here in Australia and have friends that have travelled there but I have no desire. Your country does not interest me particularly. Europe has more history and things to see,as does Asia but dont think I hate the place.

I have considered taking a motorcycle holiday there and doing the whole route 66 thing but there is alot in front of that. Maybe later. Plus the crime rate and the fact that you have people getting shot all over isnt too appealing.

But I like America and I do want you guys to fix thing's before it gets worse. Fix your debt and make sure your children have a future. All that stuff. But to be honest ,what worries me is the fall of America will bring most of us down with you.

Our government passed 'covered bond' legislation last year so they are selling taxpayer backed bonds bigtime right now. We are giving more to your IMF. We are all linked up to you guys in so many ways. If you fail,you will bring many countries down with you.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus


Maybe it just you want to start a fight over the internet with American's. Your jingoistic nature and obvious hypocrisy is kind of funny to me.
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You are a funny guy yourself. I think the ignorance of American's is more annoying than your arrogance. Im not trying to fight with you but I need to bait a little so I can provide learning moment's for you. My hope is that at least one American read's this and actually learn's something. Like the guy that doesnt understand about your Credit Rating works and its significance. I hope that guy takes some time to learn about it now that I have highlighted his ignorance on the matter.

Im just trying to help you guys.

Edit- And Im not saying all American's are ignorant and arrogant. Many American's protest your government. They are true patriots. Tea Party/OWS. The rest of you are passive and complicit. Or worse cheerleaders.

Many denier's too it seem's.


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Please address American's as American's and not as "you" unless you are specifically addressing me.
Getting people aggravated then exploiting their anger isn't teaching unless you want to teach people how to be a$$holes or trolls. The only thing you have done is bait then mocked the person when they didn't understand. You didnt take the time to post why he was wrong or for what reason and unless he reads what I write he will just think your being a jerk and not know that personal credit rating is different then currency credit rating



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Please address American's as American's and not as "you" unless you are specifically addressing me. Getting people aggravated then exploiting their anger isn't teaching unless you want to teach people how to be a$$holes or trolls. The only thing you have done is bait then mocked the person when they didn't understand. You didnt take the time to post why he was wrong or for what reason and unless he reads what I write he will just think your being a jerk and not know that personal credit rating is different then currency credit rating


You have a point. But the motto is Deny Ignorance. It seems the culture on ATS is to be a jerk. Arrogance. But yeah, you made me feel bad now.

Im sorry.

I will try a different tact from here maybe.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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thanks for adding. Australia's Government is as bad as yours thats for sure. They hurt us by pandering to your country. The way they fawned over Obama when he was here recently made me sick.


I didn't like the Obama thing either, I have a friend in Scotland and he said it right. "Is the honeymoon over yet" speaking of peoples' love of Obama.



And I know some American's here in Australia and have friends that have travelled there but I have no desire. Your country does not interest me particularly. Europe has more history and things to see,as does Asia but dont think I hate the place.

Yes, Europe I'm also interested in visiting lots of art, history. But, America is new and building all the time.



I have considered taking a motorcycle holiday there and doing the whole route 66 thing but there is alot in front of that. Maybe later. Plus the crime rate and the fact that you have people getting shot all over isnt too appealing.

Go to California, see both east and west coasts. Crime is a problem, yes. Too many trigger happy folks. If you do come you need an American friend to help in that situation.



But I like America and I do want you guys to fix thing's before it gets worse. Fix your debt and make sure your children have a future. All that stuff. But to be honest ,what worries me is the fall of America will bring most of us down with you.

Here we agree for sure. It can be better. Believe me alot of Americans wish the same things and I honestly believe they will not only bring down your country but the world.



Our government passed 'covered bond' legislation last year so they are selling taxpayer backed bonds bigtime right now. We are giving more to your IMF. We are all linked up to you guys in so many ways. If you fail,you will bring many countries down with you.

This has been a long time in coming. We used to not have the Federal Reserve, 1933 gold was illegal to own and was confiscated that's when the fed. reserve came in I believe, taxes , social security. It's all built on an illusion. We know we have a problem here with the system, government, etc. I know very well. But, we still try to love our country and make it better. Hopefully we'll suceed.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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How The Credit Downgrade Will Effect Interest Rates By Christopher Lee August 18, 2011 S&P downgrade Now that the country has lost its stellar credit rating many people are wondering what, if any, effects this will have on pivotal U.S. markets. Many investors are hesitant to leave their money in stocks, while others are cautiously riding out the storm. A lower credit rating for government bonds suggests there is an increased risk in lending money to the government. If investors make drastic moves to withdraw from the market, Treasury prices could reverse; sending the interest rate on Treasury bonds through the roof.

What About The Consumers The interest rate on treasury bonds influences the interest rate in key markets such as mortgage and credit card lending. In general, most mortgage interest rates are correlated with the price of the Treasury bond. Meaning, if the Treasury bond interest rate increases, so does the interest rate associated with most mortgage loans. The drop in mortgage interest rates was largely influenced by inflation. As inflation set in, the value of the Treasury bonds dropped, taking it with it the high mortgage interest rates. Although inflation is a sign of economic illness, it did provide the low mortgage interest rates we have enjoyed for the last few years. Now that the U.S. credit rating has been lowered, the Treasury bond interest rate is likely to increase to an extent. As mortgage rates rise, they are expected to remain relatively low. The problem is twofold: (1) potential home buyers may not be able to obtain as low of an interest rate as they would have 2 years ago and (2) homeowners under unconventional loans may see an increase in the mortgage payments as interest rates increase. Adjustable rate mortgage owners should prepare for the upcoming increase in interest rates, as this will most definitely increase their monthly mortgage payment. People under adjustable rate mortgages need to forecast whether they can afford to maintain a higher mortgage payment to prevent the risk of foreclosure.

leebankruptcy.com...

Interest Rates are the thing to worry about. It will bring down the whole country. Its hard to find many news articles about this because the media is capitalist and does not want to spook you all. That is why the second downgrade has hardly been mentioned. Many will tell you that the Credit Rating doesnt matter but that is a lie. It makes it harder for America to find people silly enough to buy your bonds and it makes it more expensive to pay back the massive national debt that America already cannot afford to pay. Its just one peice of the puzzle in how your Government is seemly running your country into the ground on purpose. High interest rates are notgood for the consumer.And America cannot continue to just print more money. It causes inflation. I see no solution. I also cannot see why your country remains in control of the Reserve Currency. It is only because of your military. Another thing to worry about is your GDP to National Debt ratio. Another alarming problem. When China is predicted to overtake your economy as the largest in the world within 5 years I cant see why alarm bells are not ringing. Im not sure if you guys can fix things. But you may as well try.

The only way out for you guys as far as I can see is to go to War and beat China. That worries me too. I dont want war or to be dragged into it by your leaders. I also dont think you can win.
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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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Hey thanks


I have always wanted to see an NBA game at Madison Square Garden. Maybe I start there and ride my way across to Staples to boo Kobe.
And you are right. There would be alot to do in between.

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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:36 AM
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Poor Australia.Its all America's fault


And I don't need your lesson.I'm not as ignorant as you think I am.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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"The U.S. government has to come to terms with the painful fact that the good old days when it could just borrow its way out of messes of its own making are finally gone," China's official Xinhua news agency said in a commentary.

in.reuters.com...

It should worry you all that China speaks to you this way. They would not have the audacity only a few years ago. They make fun of you now. They laugh at you.

They are no longer scared.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Ha!

Yeah,our government has dragged us into the whole thing. The jerks. Its not all America's fault.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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I cant really knock it because i think if that guy reads this it will work sadly. He will be forced to look it up but not without a slight sense of hate toward you and your countryman " not what anyone wants" for exposing his misunderstanding. Ps I used to be like that too at one time. Adding to the hate or ignorance doesn't help the situation but pandering doesn't help as well I think your on the right track but the end result will be a list of people on here who dislike you a better tactic might be to address the problem then find common ground with him "hard I know" then point out mistakes in his argument and enlighten him in a non mocking way. Your a smart guy so i don't think it should be that hard for you


Ps thanks for the push I will try harder to get the message out our public "hard" lol



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