Originally posted by petrus4
Originally posted by schlomo
I'm surprised by how many people say yes.
The Left in particular have largely been trained to define a human right as being anything which they want, irrespective of whether or not said desire
is necessary for their actual survival, or socially beneficial. As a result, the integrity of the general concept of human rights, (and thus the
concept's value) has become seriously corroded...which was, of course, the intent in the first place.
edit on 15-4-2012 by petrus4 because: (no
Very true (and I'm liking your posts here.) Free speech is a right. Free food is not. Why? Because if someone else has to provide your free food, you
are making them a slave. Rand Paul makes that distinction about medical care being a right. He, an MD, says it is not. Why? Because if medical care is
a right, you make doctors into slaves because you can require them to provide medical care for you. Is a walk in the park a "right"? Well, that
straddles the line, doesn't it? If you demand someone else makes the park habitable for you--nature trails all ADA compatible, then No, because your
"right" requires someone else to provide services to you.
On to suicide. Historically, no, it is not a "right." Remember that you don't make up rights all by yourself. Even free speech is a consensus right
agreed to by the social group, in the case of the US, guaranteed by the Constitution. The Right to keep and bear arms is a hotly contested "right"
because the Founding Fathers said it was, but a whole lot of people don't want that to be a right at all. Once again, it's group consensus that makes
a right, not an individual claim.
And historically, the group has considered suicide a "sin" (or illegal, if you prefer) because your survival is valuable to the group and your leaving
the group by your own hand puts the group at risk. As I understand it, in some cultures the suicide prohibition was enforced by sanctioning your
family. If you committed suicide, they would be punished. As others have pointed out here, what can you do to a suicide? well, you can punish the
family and refuse to bury you in hallowed ground. For people who believe "hallowed ground" is necessary to avoid Hell, that's a powerful incentive.
Even today, when your individual presence probably has little effect on group survival, suicide can still take a toll. Consider:
My wife committed suicide and left me with a 12 year old daughter to raise. This affected me economically. It affected me legally like you would not
believe. It affected the extended family with a blow that was unrecoverable with all the emotions, blame, and guilt you would expect it to.
Considering the circumstances and possibilities, it was absolutely the worst possible "stick a knife in your gut and twist" kind of thing she could
possiby have done. It was calculated to cause the most disruption possible. It caused irreversible psychological harm to our daughter that she will
carry for her entire life. I'd like to think I'm a tough guy, but I have dreams about her still that are so very real I can't tell the difference
between them and reality. I keep dreaming she is back, and it's been nearly 20 years.
You really think people have a "right" to do what my wife did? She wasn't terminally ill. Things just weren't going her way and she was upset about
it. She had an "excess of hubris." (See below) And so she did a very selfish thing which solved nothing. Think about that when you declare you have
all these rights.
edit on 4/15/2012 by schuyler because: (no reason given)