Originally posted by ThinkingCap
Originally posted by SubAce
Suicide is murder. No one has the right to murder. Just because it is self murder, does not justify it.
It is wrong and morally repugnant. How twisted to call it a human right.
If you're unsure on whether suicide is not murder think of all the other "cides" out there, homocide, fratridicde, infanticide, genocide, etc. etc. etc. Which other forms of these "murders" are also just? Was this a joke? I think I'm being played. But this world is so twisted, and the people on this board so morally crass, perhaps this is real?edit on 15-4-2012 by SubAce because: (no reason given)
Clearly you have not lived.
This world is a beautiful place, but it has much pain and suffering. Many people on this planet do not understand why they are here, subjected to constant torture. You do not know them, and you have no right to judge them if they make their final personal decision to end their life.
You base your argument off of the English language - if it ends in "cide" it is bad.
Yet you clearly have never watched someone you love die a slow and painful death.
With the law stating they cannot be put to rest, so they suffer needlessly.
Is this something you would wish on your mother?
Personal, isn't it.
That is why it is the individual's choice.
So, grow up.
Originally posted by signalfire
reply to post by Skepticesque
Yes, absolutely. I think our medical system, social support system and psychological support systems should be set up such that if someone is considering suicide, they will have a free place to go to discuss it without religious overtones (threats of hell) or anything else, no stigma to discuss it whatsoever, which there is now. Most suicidal thoughts are temporary, but the act obviously is not.
That said, yes we all have the right to leave this ummm... situation, whenever we want to. One never knows what another person is suffering through and mental agony can be every bit as bad as physical agony.
Be aware that your soul or spirit will survive the suicide and although you may be a bit confused for a while, you will get help on the other side also to deal with the transition and decide what to do from there. It's not like that Robin Williams movie where you end up in some dark awful place forever as a punishment. We all chose to be here and do an earth-life experience, and there's something to be learned from the time here. But the other places are actually a lot nicer... I'd also like to add to anyone contemplating suicide, that it's pretty amazing what a difference one day, or one hour, or one minute can make in your situation.
Originally posted by Skepticesque
I know this is a topic of quite some controversy, therefore I'm interested in hearing what you all have to say. I'm a firm believer that we all have the right to end our lives if we feel it is our only option. I think certain people end their lives far too early, and for reasons that aren't always permanent. That being said, I defend an adult's right to end their lives if that is what they feel they must do.
I don't think suicide is usually an act of cowardice. People who call those who kill themselves from depression cowardly have clearly never experienced what excessive depression is like. It takes enormous amounts of courage to gain the strength to go against every instinctual urge you're programmed to have. I think every situation is circumstantial, therefore I won't say that all suicides aren't cowardly, nor will I say that all suicides aren't selfish.
The question I'm posing is this: is suicide a human right? I believe we're put on this earth without an option and we should be able to dictate when we leave it. Some will say that it is God's decision and not our own, and to that I say to each his own.
edit on 14-4-2012 by Skepticesque because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Manhater
I believe suicide is a human right. It is there body to do what they want to it and no one should intervene with that. If, I was ever in a vegetative state, I would never want to live like that and should have the right to kill myself. Or in that case, have someone do it for me. I don't think it's anyone's business but the person's. Government should not be involved and neither should the family.edit on 14-4-2012 by Manhater because: (no reason given)
tell me, an astute observer
A chicken dressed up any other way is still a chicken.
If I were in Rwanda in 1995 I would be arguing with a bunch of ethnic hate mongers justifying genocide of an entire people. If I were in Germany 1938 I would be speaking to so-called Christian Arayn's justifying the mass slaughter of the Jews. If I were in Pol-Pots Cambodia I would be speaking with Communists justifying the whole-sale slaughter of their own people.
People with no moral integrity or understanding.
They really have you guys brain-washed good.
Originally posted by InspirationEverywhere
My answer is yes. Each person, if they truly want to leave this place, has every and any right to do so.
My question is, what do we consider suicide? Another topic I know, but if I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, I committed suicide, its very simply suicide and people will agree or disagree with my choices.
If I smoke 80 cigarettes a day for 40 years and die of lung cancer, How can that not be considered suicide?
If I eat unhealthy, fatty foods for years, never exercise and have a heart attack that is directly linked to my eating, How is that not suicide?
So what is the question, Do I have the right to instantly end my life?
or, Do I have the right to slowly, periodically kill myself?
Maybe there are more people committing suicide right now then anyone could ever imagine, We simply dont label it as such.