Pole shift in 2012?

reply to post by roadgravel


Thanks for map makes it easy to picture now so to speak



If the segment was part of a full circle as marked out by the processional wobble wonder if this accounts for shift of magnetic poles

reply to post by JasmineG


I believe the equake-induced shift you are referring to was a figure axis change, rather than a change in the poles.

The initial data suggests Friday's earthquake moved Japan's main island about 8 feet, according to Kenneth Hudnut of the U.S. Geological Survey. The earthquake also shifted Earth's figure axis by about 6 1/2 inches (17 centimeters), Gross added.

The 8.8-magnitude earthquake in Chile last year also sped up the planet's rotation and shortened the day by 1.26 microseconds. The 9.1 Sumatra earthquake in 2004 shortened the day by 6.8 microseconds.

www.space.com

reply to post by JasmineG

The pole has shifted a few degrees here & there I remember reading they had to close an airport in Florida to adjust to it and also the earthquake in Japan caused a minor shift.

Airports are closed when the magnetic directions for the runway need to be adjusted. It's a paint job if I recall properly. The position of the magnetic poles is moving and has ever since its position was determined.

The quake shift is a shift in the position of the rotation axes. The axis is still parallel to what it was before, but the position changes slightly. The shift is caused by the shift in mass during the quake. Shifts can be detected now for very large quakes. It is also causes the Earth to spin faster.

reply to post by artistpoet

The continents did not break apart - land rose and some sank - it is all joined together under the sea.

Although the land is joined together under the sea, the material under the sea is partly continental material, but also a very different material called oceanic crust. This material comes from spreading ridges. It is younger than most continental crust. It has a different composition.

Originally posted by stereologist
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The continents did not break apart - land rose and some sank - it is all joined together under the sea.

Although the land is joined together under the sea, the material under the sea is partly continental material, but also a very different material called oceanic crust. This material comes from spreading ridges. It is younger than most continental crust. It has a different composition.

Thanks - Yes your explanation makes sense - I have a better picture now

reply to post by artistpoet


The icecaps are not the cause of the wobble. The ice caps actually depress the land under them. It is as if the crust is floating on top of the Earth. When ice melts the land rebounds. It rises in response to the reduced mass on top. This can be detected by tidal charts.

It is seen in North America and Europe. In North America the rising land is connected to land farther south that was flexed upward by the northern depressed land. Now that flexing is going away and the southern lands are going down. Shipyards in Virginia are going to have their dry docks affected by this change just as northern dry docks will be unable to use their dry docks since they won't be deep enough.

The Earth's rotation is slowing down and has for billions of years. The cause is the tidal interaction with the Moon. The fossil record shows that the year was once 440 days because the Earth once spun faster. As energy is transferred to the Moon the Moon moves away from the Earth. This change in distance has been measured. Atomic clocks are adjusted with leap seconds so that the clocks are matched up tot he Earth's movement. The atomic clocks are more accurate than the moving Earth. The Earth also is moving away from the Sun at a rate of 15cm a year.

Here is a link to a blog that talks about the change in the length of the day.
www.nature.com...

Might as well throw in this:

Axial precession is the movement of the rotational axis of an astronomical body, whereby the axis slowly traces out a cone. In the case of Earth, this type of precession is also known as the precession of the equinoxes, lunisolar precession, or precession of the equator. Earth goes through one such complete precessional cycle in a period of approximately 26,000 years or 1° every 72 years, during which the positions of stars will slowly change in both equatorial coordinates and ecliptic longitude. Over this cycle, Earth's north axial pole moves from where it is now, within 1° of Polaris, in a circle around the ecliptic pole, with an angular radius of about 23.5 degrees.

... explained by Newtonian physics. Being an oblate spheroid, the Earth has a nonspherical shape, bulging outward at the equator. The gravitational tidal forces of the Moon and Sun apply torque to the equator, attempting to pull the equatorial bulge into the plane of the ecliptic, but instead causing it to precess.

Link

reply to post by stereologist


Thanks once more for your explanation and link
Fascinating reading

Originally posted by roadgravel
Might as well throw in this:

Axial precession is the movement of the rotational axis of an astronomical body, whereby the axis slowly traces out a cone. In the case of Earth, this type of precession is also known as the precession of the equinoxes, lunisolar precession, or precession of the equator. Earth goes through one such complete precessional cycle in a period of approximately 26,000 years or 1° every 72 years, during which the positions of stars will slowly change in both equatorial coordinates and ecliptic longitude. Over this cycle, Earth's north axial pole moves from where it is now, within 1° of Polaris, in a circle around the ecliptic pole, with an angular radius of about 23.5 degrees.

... explained by Newtonian physics. Being an oblate spheroid, the Earth has a nonspherical shape, bulging outward at the equator. The gravitational tidal forces of the Moon and Sun apply torque to the equator, attempting to pull the equatorial bulge into the plane of the ecliptic, but instead causing it to precess.

Link

So this means that over time that Polaris will no longer be the Northern Star

reply to post by artistpoet


Thuban was the pole star between 2000 and 4000BC.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by stereologist
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Thuban was the pole star between 2000 and 4000BC.
en.wikipedia.org...

Geez - Does nothing stay still - joking
Thanks

At the following site they claim:

... the pending pole shift

poleshift.ning.com...

They keep the site going by closing their minds to the evidence. They do this with rules such as:
1. calling evidence establishment lies
2. no debating the validity of an unknown planet
3. Zetatalk only

The site requires people to begin with their beliefs and nothing else, i.e. can't change got to keep a closed mind.

They do claim that:
1. Planet X came into the solar system in 2003
2. Somehow it passed the Sun's pole but did not come close to Earth
3. There are safe zones supplied by Zetas

Is there anything believable when the discussion begins with a demand of only listening to what they have to say?

Here they claim that the magnetic poles don't move, it's the crust that moves.
zetatalk.com...

Can people think of a simple test to see if this is true or not?

Here is a claim that a pole shift is possible
survive2012.com...

Notice that all of the scientific papers pre-date the plate tectonics theory.

reply to post by stereologist


you also didn't mention Patrick Geryl ....he makes it sound so compelling with his , is it Dutch or German accent.

reply to post by argentus


Just for giggles and grins, I have to wonder what would happen if the CME that blew out the back side of the sun had rather launched at us. It appears that these bursts mash our magnetosphere and stress our planet. Could this be the logic promoters of doom use to reach their obviously wrong, by steriologist gauge, conclusions.

Originally posted by stereologist
One of the main ideas for 2012 is what is called a pole shift. Let me explain what it is and is not.

You are nowhere near qualified to do that.

Unsubscribe.

Essential video imo:

reply to post by PulsusMeusGallo

You are nowhere near qualified to do that.

You are so funny when you try to be condescending.

Why don't you enlighten us all by providing y our own description or whatever of what a pole shift is.

reply to post by murkraz


Could you give us a brief synopsis of the video? Not everyone wants to sit through an hour of video.

Originally posted by stereologist
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Could you give us a brief synopsis of the video? Not everyone wants to sit through an hour of video.

I could not do the scientific data justice but here is an introduction to the documentary

"For centuries we have dreamt of reaching the center of the Earth. Now scientists are uncovering a bizarre and alien world that lies 4,000 miles beneath our feet, unlike anything we know on the surface. It is a planet buried within the planet we know, where storms rage within a sea of white-hot metal and a giant forest of crystals make up a metal core the size of the Moon. This film follows scientists who are conducting experiments to recreate this core within their own laboratories, with surprising results."