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Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by Destinyone
Repent for what.....
Des
Repent means " change your mind". The context here is turn to God, change your mind about Him and what He says about your condition and accept His gift of grace through the blood of the cross.
See your sin and accept Christ.
accept Christ? thanks but no thanks
what a silly idea.
is it okay if i accept "reason" instead?
Originally posted by Hydroman
I repeat, saved from what?
Originally posted by Hydroman
Saved from what exactly?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Then you can't be saved.
Because that's what you mean when you (and others) say "REPENT"!
"metanoeō"
1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins.
Depends who defines your word "reason". I suggest accepting both equally.
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And Biblical repentance means that when the thoughts are changed the feelings and behavior are a natural result acted out in practice of the change in thought.
So why are you trying to discredit 'behavior modification' if it starts with changing the behavior in order to change the thoughts and feelings?
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
If a person doesn't first change their mind about something, there actions will be changed for a season, but they will revert back to the behavior they feel is "right" in their own head. Changing behavior without first thinking you're wrong and changing your mind is just and exercise in "behavior modification", and any Psychologist will tell you that has no lasting effects on a person.
*raises hand* AHEM....
OI!!! What?
Psychotherapist here!!
It certainly CAN and DOES have lasting effects on a person IF THEY FULLY EMBRACE IT. The trick is that the client has to realize that Thoughts, Feelings, and Actions all affect one another.
Going through the motions is not enough. One has to realize that the roots of the Actions are thoughts and feelings, and in order to change those thoughts and feelings, one must also change the action. The same is true of the others -- all are equally affected by the other two.
It's a difficult process, and it takes a long time...THAT is why most people fail at it. But any person who willingly sticks it out DOES find that their thoughts and feelings change also.
It's called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and it works. The PROBLEM is that most people don't really want to change, unless their lives are so unbearable that their poor coping skills no longer work for them. When a person becomes so despondent that they are literally suffocating in their pain, they can CHOOSE to take different actions.
Wow. I...just......What?? WHAT??!!
wow
How inappropriate. How about you stick to talking about Christ, and let seasoned psychotherapists do the talking for the different types of therapies?
But this is neither the forum nor the thread for such.
Then you can't be saved.
And THIS? Really??
horse hooey.edit on 15-4-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by NeverSleepingEyes
And you can believe what you will. But why should I trade my faith for your faith, or are you claiming to have the attributes of God?
But I deserve this. Why not accept it? I did the crime, I do the time. I am to be burned like the garbage at Gehenna, because that is what I am to your god, garbage. That is, unless I can muster the faith to believe in him....then it's all cool.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Saved from conscious eternal separation from Him and His Kingdom in Hell.
(Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus, Lake of Fire, Furnace of Fire, Torments, Outer Darkness, et cetra et cetra, take your pick)
i didn't ask anyone to trade anything for anything else, did i?
all i ask if for the people with the imaginary friend to stop pretending they are in the know and to keep their silly activities out of the public arena.
for your information: I don't have a faith. None. don't call atheism a faith, that's just plain stupid and is intented to give a false representation of the situation.
Originally posted by Hydroman
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Saved from conscious eternal separation from Him and His Kingdom in Hell.
(Sheol, Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus, Lake of Fire, Furnace of Fire, Torments, Outer Darkness, et cetra et cetra, take your pick)
But I deserve this. Why not accept it? I did the crime, I do the time. I am to be burned like the garbage at Gehenna, because that is what I am to your god, garbage. That is, unless I can muster the faith to believe in him....then it's all cool.
I accept my fate. No innocent person should take my place. I did the crime, I pay for it forever. That is just isn't it? If so, what's the problem?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
We all deserve it, you have to come up with something better than that.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Atheism is a faith system, you cannot know for a fact God doesn't exist unless you are in all places in the universe at the same time (omnipresence) or you know everything about everything (omniscience) and can say for fact God is non-existent.
So, why should I leave my belief system to come to yours, or where did you get the attributes of the God of the Bible?
Saying that I don't believe your claim simply means I don't believe it. Who knows, you could be right. I don't know what the truth is for sure, but I don't believe your claim that gods exist.
With faith, you say that you know your god exists. I reject that claim. I don't believe it. Again, I don't know for sure if you're right, you might be. I just don't believe it.
If I don't believe something, how is that faith language? Please explain. Define faith.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hydroman
Saying that I don't believe your claim simply means I don't believe it. Who knows, you could be right. I don't know what the truth is for sure, but I don't believe your claim that gods exist.
"Believe/not believe" is faith language.
Do you "know" then? If so, please prove your positive claim. Agnostics are at least intellectually honest.
Originally posted by Hydroman
If I don't believe something, how is that faith language? Please explain. Define faith.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hydroman
Saying that I don't believe your claim simply means I don't believe it. Who knows, you could be right. I don't know what the truth is for sure, but I don't believe your claim that gods exist.
"Believe/not believe" is faith language.
Do you "know" then? If so, please prove your positive claim. Agnostics are at least intellectually honest.
Also, I explained that I do not know. That's why I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know if gods exist, but I don't believe they do.
Why am I affirming something? You make the claim that gods exist, and I respond by saying, "I do no believe you." The reason for this is because I don't think there's enough concrete evidence for it. It's the same reason I don't believe in other gods. If that doesn't make me an atheist, what does it make me?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Denials of existence are by default affirmations of the inverse. The two are inseparable. When you are denying God, what are you affirming in the inverse? If your claim cannot sustain the "inversion principle" it cannot be true.