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Originally posted by RSF77
Instead of just deleting threads and promptly throwing them into a black hole never to see a trace of them again, perhaps everyone in the thread could be notified. Maybe even have a discussion amongst mods, or hell anyone, about why this particular thread that has more to do with law enforcement and a 73 year old lady than drugs needs to be immediately removed from the internet as if it never existed?
The way ATS handles its censorship is suspicious. You want "formal", intelligent discussion? Then you need to do things formally yourself.
, this one is probably the most overlooked one. Forum gangs are the greatest and they do reside here, check [LINK NOT ALLOWED] for the wannabe mod gang. I can understand that it is a hard job, but, it is like any other business. You have to keep things fair if you want return clients. We are the people that attract and use the advertisers. We are the people that keep this site alive. Until all rules of the T & C are adhered to equally, I think it is more than fair to call some mods the "thought police".
15g.) Political Baiting: You will not engage in politically-charged rhetoric, politically-inspired name-calling, and related right-versus-left political bickering while Posting in any topical forum or discussion thread on the Websites. You will not alter political candidate names or party affiliations in order to insult or deride the opposition.
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by tothetenthpower
I agree with most of what you put there, however, by abiding to the T & C's, we cannot discuss the Catholic Church, link to any website where there might be a profanity (what is considered a profanity is not clear either),
, this one is probably the most overlooked one. Forum gangs are the greatest and they do reside here, check this thread for the wannabe mod gang. I can understand that it is a hard job, but, it is like any other business. You have to keep things fair if you want return clients. We are the people that attract and use the advertisers. We are the people that keep this site alive. Until all rules of the T & C are adhered to equally, I think it is more than fair to call some mods the "thought police".
There is no "censorship" on ATS, as you do not have freedom of speech here. Nobody on the staff or the ownership ever made claim to giving you freedom of speech.
In any case, I think it's a bit silly to dissect the Terms & Conditions and try to come up with a reason point by point, line by line, how we don't enforce them fairly.
That's pretty much impossible considering the different staff members and their views,opinions, beliefs & considering the ammount of traffic here daily.
Is it fair to attempt to hold that staff accountable to making sure that we are doing it right 100% of the time? Are we not human? Are we not entitled to our mistakes? ( which we make up for I would hope in all situations of wrongdoing or oversight)
I understand that this site is member generated content, but those who complain are a very small minority in comparison to the thousands of members that visit everyday and don't feel the need to rummage through thread after thread looking for staff mistakes or conflicting situations regarding the T&C.
But instead of throwing your discontent at us, why not look towards yourself? Do you alert every post that's a T&C infraction? Do you notify staff when you think that certain members are carrying on as gangs, effectively violating the T&C?
It's really simple, you come here and ATS provides this venue free of charge.
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by greeneyedleo
You are both right. It is up to me if I feel the need to complain or alert the staff. It figures that the two mods that have been cordial and professional to me while explaining things in either a U2U or on a thread would respond. Can I give you two applause?
Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by tothetenthpower
I agree it is, but, I have seen, and I am sure you have, some mods do this exact thing when deciding about whether or not to close a thread.
I guess that was my point. Shouldn't there be a set point that the staff members should enforce something instead of relying on a human with biases? Even self regulating and not enforcing on threads where they are biased. I think that would relieve a lot of these types of threads and complaints.
Yes. It wasn't forced upon you or the others, it was your choice, you have a list of rules and you are in charge of making sure we follow them to the letter when they choose. Yes you are human ( I hope ) but so are we and that doesn't mean that we can't question it (or does it?). Yes there are mistakes that are rectified, but, there are also others that offer no explanation besides, "cause I said so" or completely ignoring. I am lucky that I have been here long enough to interact with these ones and know when to let things slide. The thread I mentioned above was a good indicator for me.
As usual, you are right in the end, but, what do I do when the gangs are mods? I don't want to be banned so I don't dare complain about them to other mods. I got post banned for arguing.
You need not worry of being banned for asking legitimate questions about staff or site policy. Those who get in trouble are the ones who refuse to let the issue go when an appropriate answer has been given and become rude and unwilling to work with us to find a resolution.
OK, so what should you do? I just have a simple suggestion. I humbly request that YOU concentrate on making posts and threads that are a) factually accurate, b) documented, and c) interesting to the rest of us so that we might all learn something together. That actually happens a fair amount around here. There's some real gold amongst the BS we have to wade through, which includes all the complainers doing their inevitable whining complaints.