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Obama Lawyer Admits Forgery but disregards “image” as Indication of Obama’s Ineligibility Dama

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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Welcome to La-La land where anything goes and zombies are allowed to walk in public.

Up is down.
In is out.
Hot is cold.
(I don't dare say 'black is white' because that will start a race riot when only it's a common saying..... )

Liars become POTUS.
Killers get re-elected

Defend honor and get banned.

This rabbit hole was deeper than I anticipated!



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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You should check if things are true before posting them. This was very easy to check. Someone looking for truth doesn't repeatedly post political propaganda without checking it.. you do.

You are simply a foot soldier for the Republican party... that's cool like, but don't try and pretend your some deep searcher for truth, when you don't ever check your facts.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


You've been told repeatedly what your lies are. And they are piling up.

Most recent example:

The OP is not a hoax, the title is just wrong.


You are twisting my intentions, there was a court hearing YES?


May I ask did you hear the judge say that the online certificate was not admissible as evidence?

They need the original, and then maybe they would have a case, if they could prove it in court it was a forgery.

So does that mean that you can't use the on line certificate as proof he was a citizen as well,

You still haven't answered,




posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
I stand by what I authored.
I'm not ashamed of this nor do I think it's misleading.


But it IS misleading, you posted
"It's admitted as being forged"

It was NOT admitted as being forged, as simply watching the video you would know.

So how is your statement "It's admitted as being forged" which is not true, not misleading???



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by AquaImage13
and a FORIEGN man is in the White House


What "foreign" man? Obama was born in Hawaii. O (or do you mean a black man???)


IMPEACH THE IMPOSTER BY ANY MEANS NECCASARY!


How about some proof he is a imposter.... but you have no proof of that!


Derailment attempt by playing the race card, typical.

Ok, so let's look at this. See, it doesn't really matter if he was born in Hawaii or on the Moon. The question is whether or not he is a natural born citizen or not. Not merely a citizen. I am quite certain he is a citizen and I don't see anyone questioning his citizenship.

You racers continually try to redirect the conversation so that it appears that the question being asked is fallacious and then discount the question. I have never seen any one of you racers attempt to even discuss the fact that his father was not a US citizen, which precludes him from obtaining natural born citizenship. I have never heard one of you admit that it is out of the norm to have a president who was raised in foreign countries under a political system (islam is a political system) that is supposed to be out for our destruction. Not that it means he isn't eligible, just that it is, a bit odd.

You instead toss out the race card. Hence the term racer. We have truthers, birthers, and now racers. The people who have no real ability to debate facts or have independent thought but instead instantly attempt to derail all conversation by accusing people of not liking obama because of skin tone. It is an indicator of a weak mind.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
I am someone looking for truth


Truth requires disciplined research and will never be achieved on a site where friction and BS is tolerated.
Perhaps a revision in your quest for truth should be considered.

School, read and less time wasted posting materials you don't fully grasp, comprehend or investigate.

Just some friendly advice.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono
I have never seen any one of you racers attempt to even discuss the fact that his father was not a US citizen, which precludes him from obtaining natural born citizenship.


That is where you are wrong, his father not being a US citizen does not mean Obama is not a natural born US citizen.

"Additionally we have the precedents of the 21st President, Chester A. Arthur (born in Vermont to an American mother and British father) and the 1916 Republican nominee for President, Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes (born in NY to two British parents)"
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Ya know what some of the problem is?...........this is an attack from a group. The TeaParty.

I don't blame Obama supporters for being pissed off.
I just thought about that.

I apologize (even though I'm not a member) I apologize as a Human being....for their behavior.

I for one hate HATE Hate groups, cults, sides, teams, religions and parties.

So the Tea Party 'group' is really doing a disservice to their own cause. I know they want to get to the bottom of this, as would I, but because they are this "group" it looks very provoking.

I realize there's strength in numbers and that's why a 'group' would have more success than say, me alone (to get to the bottom of this) but......this segregation on this planet is what the problem is and has GOT to stop.
We're too divided.
You/me
Us/them

The Tea Party needs to continue what they're doing (I suppose) but maybe not have too much creative control in their news letter titles. Because that's only causing negative attention to their plight.

This said, I still think Obama needs to get to the podium and put this to rest. It doesn't matter if some people think he already did. He owes it to his people who MIGHT be....confused. It's no big deal. He should want to put this matter to rest. But the more he avoids, the big the divide gets.

Hey, maybe that's the plan!!! I wouldn't doubt that either!


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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by ThisToiletEarth

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I am someone looking for truth


Truth requires disciplined research and will never be achieved on a site where friction and BS is tolerated.
Perhaps a revision in your quest for truth should be considered.

School, read and less time wasted posting materials you don't fully grasp, comprehend or investigate.

Just some friendly advice.



Good advice

Thanks!



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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next time you should back up your arguments with sources

it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the
phrase “natural born Citizen” would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth”
or “at birth.” Such interpretation, as evidenced by over a century of American case law, would
include as natural born citizens those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction
regardless of the citizenship status of one’s parent

SOURCE

This means ANYONE born in the United States REGARDLESS of their parents citizenship is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, even if Obama WAS born outside the united states HIS MOTHER still had US citizenship which would still make Obama A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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You say



This said, I still think Obama needs to get to the podium and put this to rest.


Then


It doesn't matter if some people think he already did. He owes it to his people who MIGHT be....confused.


No one is confused. Don't be silly. People are choosing to deny the truth because it suits their political/ideological agenda.

That's all.

Kinda like what you did/have done.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

May I ask did you hear the judge say that the online certificate was not admissible as evidence?

They need the original, and then maybe they would have a case, if they could prove it in court it was a forgery.

So does that mean that you can't use the on line certificate as proof he was a citizen as well,



Now that, my friend, is a very intteresting conundrum. If the BC being used as evidence of eligibility is not actually eligible to be evidence in a court of law, is it even evidence of anything? Can it be used at all? Well, for anything other than the political points as the lawyer stated.

It is really diabolically genius of the obama admin to do something like this. Assuming he has a need to hide a real BC. They can post this fake, get people further divided, later they can admit it was a fake but had no knowledge of the fact (plausible deniability), get people even further divided, and all the while the "laws" won't allow the fake to be admissible in court because, well, it is a fake. And "standing" doesn't allow anyone to require a "real" one. In the meantime, people get even further divided.

The saddest thing is that common sense obviously has no place in the USA anymore. The only arguments against looking into this are based on legal loopholes, procedural one-up-manship (standing), racer (people who play the race card) arguments, or whatever. The cases aren't tossed out because their claims are false, but because they didn't present it in the right way or in the right forum or with the right "standing".

It all gets back to the basic question of why. Why is this still going on? Why did he wait so long to release any documents? Why are they so evidently fake? Why has he spent so many millions preventing people from getting their hands on any "true copies" of his documents? Why does he continue to spend millions on this if his documents were real?

This continues because there is an underlying dishonesty somewhere in this whole mess. Something is wrong. Many people believe that it is because he is not a "natural born citizen" and he is attempting to hide that. Perhaps, perhaps not. However, it is plain to see that he IS hiding SOMETHING.

What never ceases to amaze me is that a decent number of vocal other people seem to have absolutely no problem that the president is lying to them. They may be right, he may be a natural born citizen (although they never argue for that really, they just call "truthers" and "birthers" racists and get their claims tossed on procedural grounds). But they can't claim that he isn't hiding something.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I stand by what I authored.
I'm not ashamed of this nor do I think it's misleading.


But it IS misleading, you posted
"It's admitted as being forged"

It was NOT admitted as being forged, as simply watching the video you would know.

So how is your statement "It's admitted as being forged" which is not true, not misleading???



I think we've been on the carousel ride long enough.
I apologize for the confusion (or what LOOKS to be misleading words) but I DON'T apologize for using the original material.

That's my style.
That's what I do.
And that's what I'll continue to do.
I copy/paste the ORIGINAL titles in nearly ALL my threads.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
I know they want to get to the bottom of this,


The bottom of what exactly?


This said, I still think Obama needs to get to the podium and put this to rest


He has, by showing 2 birth certificates, both certified by the state of Hawaii - more than any previous President


He should want to put this matter to rest. But the more he avoids, the big the divide gets.


Why claim he avoids it when he already has put it to rest?

It is not about any bit of paper or proof that Obama provides...



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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No, the arguments for not looking into this are:

The Hawaiian government vouches for it.

His family and friends vouch for his history.

Newspapers recording his birth exist.

He has provided a BC which the courts of multiple states have vouched for.

His detractors have been repeatedly busted lying.

His detractors are often part of a well oiled right-wing smear machine.



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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I don't get why people simply refuse to understand that when you are posting an article you didn't write you MUST include the original title of the article, as well as who wrote it, when and a source for it.

As far as this being a hoax.....uh I don't know. 2 states looking into it with the many thousands of people that involves is pretty big. I think they would disagree.

Alien......you must sign off. I predict you will be baited and then banned. I recommend you just chill with some homies or some fine piece of tail and bug out from ATS for a day. Word to mother G.

I have been down that road. You will get banned because of some random dumbass trollish jerk. Just walk away and enjoy something you love.


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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


You should check if things are true before posting them. This was very easy to check. Someone looking for truth doesn't repeatedly post political propaganda without checking it.. you do.

You are simply a foot soldier for the Republican party... that's cool like, but don't try and pretend your some deep searcher for truth, when you don't ever check your facts.


A foot soldier for the Rep party?
Are you SERIOUS???


I did read the news letter. I also read the attachments. I don't play with semantics as much as you do.
When I do ("I saw the first plane hit") it gets me nowhere anyway.

I deplore both parties.
I support Ron Paul as a Libertarian. They guy HAD to pick a side after and he choose Rep. I'd still support him if he went Dem.

I hate politics and I hate this government.
I'm starting to hate forums too



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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Now that, my friend, is a very intteresting conundrum. If the BC being used as evidence of eligibility is not actually eligible to be evidence in a court of law, is it even evidence of anything? Can it be used at all? Well, for anything other than the political points as the lawyer stated.





They can post this fake, get people further divided, later they can admit it was a fake but had no knowledge of the fact (plausible deniability), get people even further divided, and all the while the "laws" won't allow the fake to be admissible in court because, well, it is a fake. And "standing" doesn't allow anyone to require a "real" one. In the meantime, people get even further divided.


Thank you for answering my question, the others were avoiding it, I guess,


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