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Originally posted by Starsuckers
reply to post by NoRegretsEver
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It really puzzles me, how intolerably cruel the churches are that supposedly follow Jesus Christ's teachings. With so many variations of the bible and holy scriptures, to take a few verses out so literally as to justify Murdering your fellow human being is so unconscionable to me.....it seems downright satanic what they've done, in what book and in what authority does it say that it's okay to murder anyone who is not a "christian" or a roman catholic fundamentalist? Where the # does it justify their sickness, THEIR satanic "witchcraft"?! I'm sorry, this letter just made me so sad. I am so grateful that i have never been, and probably will never be subjected to this kind of insanity.
Most radical "Christians" tend to be far right, mainly because of their belief structure
Johannes Junius (1573 – August 6, 1628) was the mayor (German: Bürgermeister) of Bamberg, and a victim of the Bamberg witch trials, who wrote a letter to his daughter from jail while he awaited execution for witchcraft. [1]
Originally posted by Advantage
Thanks for posting that. Id never knew it existed. Such a horrible period in our history.. Americans torturing and murdering Americans in the name of religion.
In the letter he defends his innocence, claims that those who testified against him have secretly begged his forgiveness, and recounts the abject horror of his torture (inflicted upon him by his brother-in-law and three others), from which his hands still shake at the time of writing the letter.
Contemporary with the Würzburg Witch Trials and others in South Germany, the Bamberg Witch Trials was one of the largest of the period, with between 300 and 600 executions. Some of the trials and torture sessions (such as that of the wealthy local landowner Johannes Junius, for example) were recorded in sickening detail.
Bamberg at the time was a small state ruled by the Prince-Bishop Gottfried Johann Georg II Fuchs von Dornheim. The area had been devasted for years by war and conflicts within the Holy Roman Empire, as well as a series of crop failures, famines and plagues. Rather than blaming the politicians, people looked for supernatural explanations, and accusations of witchcraft proliferated.
Taking advantage of this, Dornheim oversaw the establishment of a network of informers. Accusations were not made public, and the accused were denied any legal rights. Dornheim was also responsible for establishing an operation of full-time torturers and executioners, and for building the notorious Drudenhaus (or Trudenhaus, or witch prison) in Bamberg in 1627 to house the special torture chambers.
Torture was routinely applied to those accused, and the victims were subjected to thumbscrews and vises, ice-cold baths and scalding lime baths. They were whipped, burned with sulphur, put in iron-spiked stocks and subjected to other forms torture. Children as young as 6 months old were tortured and killed. Even after condemnation, the physical abuse continued, and prisoners had their hands cut off as they were led to the stake.
Many rich and powerful people of the area fell victim to the frenzy of accusations, and had their property and assets confiscated, which made Dornheim and his officers extremely rich. Anyone who questioned what was happening was also arrested and subjected to the same treatment. Finally, after compaints by several influential persons (although, in reality, largely due to the fact that business in the region was suffering), the Emperor Ferdinand was forced to issue mandates opposing the persecution in 1630 and 1631. Dornheim died in 1632, and the sorry episode drew to a close.
Originally posted by Advantage
Thanks for posting that. Id never knew it existed. Such a horrible period in our history.. Americans torturing and murdering Americans in the name of religion.
Originally posted by Nomed
So many of the church have strayed so far from the words of the Christ.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RyanFromCan
Most radical "Christians" tend to be far right, mainly because of their belief structure
Oh really now. Please tell me what study you pulled this statistic from...or maybe don't...
So now conservative Christians are radical...sounds like a left leaning rant to me. Is the belief structure of Democrat Christians that far from that of right leaning Republicans? Perhaps... in that Democrat Christians may be more likely to subscribe to "Christian socialism" because they are comfortable with the socialist welfare structure of the federal government.
Fake your way out of that one.
Most radical "Christians" tend to be far right, mainly because of their belief structure, and dare I say, level of intelligence. This does not mean all people that have a far right political stripe are radical "Christians" or all radical "Christians" are far right, but many are.
It says that the politicians weren't blamed but that the people looked to the supernatural...but that seems to me to indicate a very clever diversionary tactic employed by the Prince-Bishop...who was an individual force in this case rather than an institutional one.
Originally posted by manna2
reply to post by RyanFromCan
And thank you for pointing out by example that there is exceptions to every rule.
If I claimed to be a black man but I am factually white, do you believe me?
If I claim to be an intellectual but cannot read or comprehend what I read, do you believe me?
If I claim to be a Christian yet do the works of satan, do you believe me?
If you claim these are works of Christians yet use satanic examples, are you to be believed?
Discernment seems to be more gift than trained critical thought.
TY for the example.