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Originally posted by eNumbra
Science gives us the tools to destroy each other.
Religion gives us the reason.
Which is more dangerous?
Originally posted by jiggerj
I am an atheist and I stand firmly on my position that there is no biblical god. But, there are atheists, like Richard Dawkins, that claim religion is dangerous, and that science is the way to the truth.
Well, religion didn't invent nuclear missiles; science did.
Religion didn't figure out how to make biological weapons; science did.
In the pre-technology era religious wars meant the killing of humans.
Today, through science and science alone we have the capability of destroying the entire planet in just one insane war.
Yes, I believe religion is downright stupid and for the weak-minded, but science is DANGEROUS!
I find it funny how the church once kept its silly, illogical secrets away from the common man, while science opened its doors wide so that now even a child can go online and learn how to make a chemical bomb. If you follow this youtube link, you'll find a kid making a bomb and warning other kids not to use this stuff in the house - because he tried it. Yeahhh, chemicals, science, and children. Isn't REAL knowledge just wonderful?!
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Originally posted by eNumbra
Science gives us the tools to destroy each other.
Religion gives us the reason.
Which is more dangerous?
Originally posted by -PLB-
reply to post by michaelbrux
Sure, if we ignore the Greeks, Romans and Muslims, then all science originated from priesthood. Claiming that you require a Ph.D to understand these matters is silly by the way.
Originally posted by prevenge
p.s. i'm not religious but i think you're extremely foolishly arrogant in your prejudice against religion. you have no idea what you are missing within the wonders of wisdom kept under the riddles within most religions. Gnosis, (the root wisdom of all world religions) is entirely practical, reasonable, and scientific...
Originally posted by Epicurus
There are no forces on this planet more dangerous to us all than the fanaticisms of fundamentalism, of all species: Protestantism, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, as well as countless smaller infections - Daniel Dennett
True, science and the advances we make in this area can pose great threats towards society. However, so can religion. It wasn't science that caused planes to be flown into the twin towers.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
. . and to be honest the worst thing that could happen to priests is for people to somehow acquire knowledge and science without having to wear the yoke that comes with priesthood. and for the record...all priests are atheists in a manner of speaking in the sense that their goal is to make atheism true whether its true or not in fact.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by Annee
if atheism is truth then i don't know much about atheism.
based on what I saw with my eyes wide open, I can only conclude that most people don't have the slightest clue concerning the true nature of reality.
the people that do know the truth...they own the reality. everyone else sits around pissed.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by Annee
if atheism is truth then i don't know much about atheism.
based on what I saw with my eyes wide open, I can only conclude that most people don't have the slightest clue concerning the true nature of reality.
the people that do know the truth...they own the reality. everyone else sits around pissed.
Who's reality?
For all I know we are a very advanced virtual electronic game called: Humans on Earth.
IMO - - few people have any interest in taking the Red pill. Which gives "your" priest/priestesses an almost blank canvas to paint any way they choose.
Originally posted by Annee
Atheism is the only truth. Because eyes are open.
Originally posted by QuietInsanity
Originally posted by Annee
Atheism is the only truth. Because eyes are open.
Religious believers use that same line and believe equally that they are right.
Originally posted by QuietInsanity
Religious believers use that same line and believe equally that they are right. The only thing that statement shows is how closed your eyes actually are. The truth is that no one knows for sure. All anyone has is theories. Religion is a theory just as Athesim is a theory. Neither has been proven as correct with absolute certainty. They both have some kind of "evidence" to support them after all. Atheists, as much as they don't want to think so, are relying on faith just as much as religious are. To claim that your theory is correct over all others with no tangible proof is the definition of faith based blindness.
Originally posted by -PLB-
Atheism is a lack of believe, not a theory. The reason why someone lacks that believe is irrelevant. In general, atheism is not based on evidence, but based on the lack of evidence of a god claim. So in general atheists are not relying on faith, but on logic. It is illogical to believe in things that are not supported by evidence.
It does not make much sense to say that atheism is "correct" either, as "atheist" describes a state someone is in.
Myth: A Lack of Belief is Still a Belief, so Atheism is a Belief in No God
Do Atheists Really Have a Belief or Faith Despite Claims to the Contrary?
By Austin Cline
When religious theists are informed that atheism is not "belief that God does not exist," as they previously assumed, but rather that atheism is really defined as the "lack of belief in the existence of any gods" or simply "disbelief in gods," many get defensive. Perhaps they cannot accept being mistaken about something, or perhaps they realize how many of their assumptions and arguments about atheism and atheists fall apart in light of the real definition. Either way, be prepared for a fight.
What's especially disconcerting about the above myth, commonly offered in response to being told that atheism is just a lack of belief in gods, is how insanely incoherent it is. If I told someone that lacking hair is still having hair, or lacking a hobby is itself a hobby, they'd probably ask whether I've been feeling OK and might even suggest counseling.
They would surely doubt my ability to think and reason coherently. Such claims represent a complete separation from both reality and the most basic rules of logic: if something is absent, then it cannot also be present at the same time. By definition, something absent is not present — and that counts as much for beliefs as it does for hair and hobbies. atheism.about.com...