Iceland Wipes Out Citizen´s Debt! Bankers On Trail!?, page 6


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reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 01:33 PM by poet1b
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


In fact, everything that his been done since Jimmy Carter was in office that concerns economics and tax law -- just repeal every bit of it and all of a sudden, things will function for the working person again.


Starting with re-instating the usury laws, and firm regulation of the banks.

Fraud should be treated as a crime, and individuals should be able to file a complaint for fraud, and government should then investigate when there is probably cause, and file criminal charges, and arrest the perps. Forcing someone to hire a lawyer in order to get justice when fraudulent crimes are committed is not justice, it is a sham.


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 02:13 PM by jacobe001
I would like to also add "The Warning" and "Inside Job" to the list for those that have not seen it yet.

You can see The Warning online at

www.pbs.org...


One snip from The Warning.
In 1994 Brooksley Born tried to regulate derivatives because of the dangers she say in them, lets just say the Bankers told her and Larry Summers who is boss.

"I walk into Brooksley's office one day; the blood has drained from her face," says Michael Greenberger, a former top official at the CFTC who worked closely with Born. "She's hanging up the telephone; she says to me: 'That was [former Assistant Treasury Secretary] Larry Summers. He says, "You're going to cause the worst financial crisis since the end of World War II."... [He says he has] 13 bankers in his office who informed him of this. Stop, right away. No more.'"



Now can we please end the lie that there were some pressured innocent bankers by "politicians" to "help the people" when these Wall Street politicians and Banksters are in each others beds.

The people in our Government are all criminals and need to be brought up on charges for Financial Terrorism.




Originally posted by Patifier

You need to understand the scope of the 2008 financial crisis and derivatives and then you will see the crimes that were and are being committed.

Whatch this film, it even starts with Iceland case: vimeo.com...

Also, many have been tricked into signing their mortgages. They didn't read or understand the fine print.



reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 03:05 PM by poet1b
reply to post by jacobe001


Our politicians pushed the banks into making bad loans,


Either people who made money off of these scams, or complete suckers could buy this load of bull.

no one person had a gun held to their head and was forced to sign a contract they could not meet. The onus is on the loan taker to make good on the note.


Since when does anyone need to hold a gun to your head to take large amounts of money? This is a moronic argument.

On top of that, the whole justification for capital investment make large amounts of money is that they are getting paid for taking risk.

The con was pulled when these crooks bundled bad loans and gave them good ratings. That is fraud, and people who choose to ignore this again, fall into the people who made money off of these scams, or complete suckers.


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 03:53 PM by Skepticalifragilistic
reply to post by poet1b


Maybe getting rid of the banks in Iceland is a good thing. No more loans for people who can't pay them back. People can start saving and pay cash for a house and car. Or should these be free to everyone but the evil bankers and evil politicians? That's it, nobody should have to work hard for anything. Luxury should be a civil right. Hear ye, hear ye, every man in Iceland shall be entitled to a mansion, a Ferrari, and a private jet. What is so wrong with that?

Look, the "Evil Bankers" did not make the laws, they only follow the laws. The laws are made by the corrupt and selfish politicians. The only ones to blame for corrupt politicians are the people they represent. A Government is a reflection of it's People. The ones to blame for the mess in Iceland are the citizens of Iceland. I'm sorry if the truth stings. America is no better, in fact, far worse off. The greatest lie you, as a citizen, have been told is that you are insignificant. Vote at the ballot, vote with your money. Be vigilant over your government and deny incompetence, ignorance, and corruption from your representatives.


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 04:03 PM by poet1b
reply to post by Skepticalifragilistic


No more loans for people who can't pay them back.


Um yeah! Ya Think? And what would be the price of housing if this was true? Probably a whole lot less.

I guess you are happy with the whole cradle to grave debt situation, where the evil bankers get to take about 40% of everyone's income, simply because they get total control of the nations monetary supply?

How about people get to keep some of the wealth they gain, and should gain, for the work that they do? You got a problem with this? Don't you believe in the market system?

Look, the "Evil Bankers" did not make the laws, they only follow the laws.


WRONG! The bankers did not follow the law, they broke the law by fraudulently rating bad loans as good. Plenty of them are now being prosecuted for their crimes, although not nearly enough. Do a quick search and look it up.

Most of those corrupt politicians were put into office by the evil bankers, and people who bought into the whole con of the free market.

What is obvious is that rather then put the blame on the people who broke the laws and committed fraud, you prefer to blame everyone else. Clearly you don't believe in personal responsibility when it comes to bankers.


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 04:05 PM by poet1b
reply to post by MaMaa


One does not negate the other.


I disagree. By committing fraud, the bankers broke the contract, therefore the borrowers are no longer bound to the contract. Time to re-negotiate.



reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 04:35 PM by Skepticalifragilistic
reply to post by poet1b


I do believe we should be entitled to the fruits of our labor. I do not believe in fiat currency and fractional reserve lending. I vote and invest accordingly. I do not believe a government should try and save people from themselves.

I do not take out loans. I do not bank with a large corporate bank. Most of my investments are in gold, silver, oil, lng and other tangible assets. I try to do as little business with a large corporation as possible. I vote with my money. I am upset with the way the system is too but I hit them where it hurts...my money.

I believe if you borrow money and agree to terms, you sign your name, you should honor your name and commitments. This protects others from losing the fruits of their labor. Other people should not lose out because people don't honor their debts.

Think about all those who have sent a lifetime paying their mortgage and now have a worthless house because everyone's house is essentially free now. All because people borrowed more than they can afford...bottom line.
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reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 04:57 PM by jacobe001
reply to post by Skepticalifragilistic


Were it not for the Banker Politicians that serve in our government, and those on Wall Street, this country would not have half the problems it does.


If easy credit was not available for things like homes, college loans, medical expenses etc, the prices would have to drop astronomically in order to be inline with what people make today.


It is in the best interests of these Banksters for the population to continue to pay interests charges to them for everything. How else will they continue to enslave and make their millions, and inflate the price of everything?


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 05:20 PM by Skepticalifragilistic
reply to post by jacobe001


I agree that the people of Iceland got the shaft. We are all getting the shaft and we will continue getting shafted until sound money returns.

Inflation is criminal. Who is really to blame?

Follow me on this, ask yourself if every citizen put as much time studying modern monetary policy as someone like Dr. Paul would we be in this mess? Would the "Federal Reserve Act" ever have made to the floor of the US Congress? While the cat is sleeping mice will play...do not fault the mice for being mice. We the People are the cats.

At least people know who Britney Spears was married to...


reply posted on 14-4-2012 @ 06:15 PM by poet1b
reply to post by Skepticalifragilistic


I believe if you borrow money and agree to terms, you sign your name, you should honor your name and commitments.


And the same should apply to those who lend the money, but they did not follow their commitments, or act honorably, and you seem unable to recognize or admit this.
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