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United States inhumane act of punishment toward NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE.

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posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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As long as the US is in debt or operating at a budget deficet I would eradicate all foreign aid. We should help others when we can take care of ourselves. Should not spend money we dont have.

If I was in charge of NK I would want to expand my nuclear capabilities. I dont blame Iran for wanting it either. However as an American with some common sense I also know nk with icbms is a danger to us and our allies. They have the right to pursue their program and we have the right to try and supress it. Nk likes being a regional bully but if they are going to blow money on rocket tests rather than feed their people I wouldnt send aid. If the people of nk want help rise up and pick a fight most of the world would assist because of a chance to dispose of the dictatorship and reel nk in to a more neutral position.

Bottqom line we need to get our debt eliminated rather than spend money we dont have. And damn if nk would get aid anyway. I wouldnt help a rogue state as dangerous as they are. If we want change here we need to rise up. Same for nk.




posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer
Ok so it is ok for you to know how North Koreans live and judge them. Yet you dont like it when it happens to you...


I know it's confusing...but let me see if I can clear it up for you a bit.

You see, America initially founded in large part by people who didn't think that Europe's Medieval Religious practices were strict enough. With a strong foundation of fire-and-brimstone religious rhetoric and the hypocrisy that comes with it, large groups of religious zealots came to the "New World".

Once a "foothold" had been established, these settlers then got down to the hard work of clearing the land, building homes, and executing 20 innocent women as "witches" in the name of "God"...who incidentally ALL happened to be either paupers without husbands or from a rival church that wasn't quite so...well...Puritanical.

Once this had been accomplished, these "pilgrims" began creating a larger and more ethnically diverse culture to incorporate the hordes of other newcomers from the "Old World" so that they could ultimately develop a religiously infused concept of "manifest destiny" to justify a roughly 220-year long policy of racial and cultural genocide against the inconvenient tribal peoples who happened to have arrived here a minimum of 12,000 years earlier...possibly as much as 40,000 years earlier. Like most things American..."God" approved of this sort of wholesale slaughter, destruction of their food supply, death marches, and the collecting/display of rotting Native American body parts as "trophies".

While this is all going on, of course, the Americans are also simultaneously fortunate for "God" to give them the ol' thumbs up on kidnapping 10's of millions of African's and bringing them to the "Land of the Free" where they were owned as chattel property and enslaved in the Southeast part of the country...whereas the North and West simply imported indentured servants from Ireland and China who would be "set free" should they survive the brutal working conditions in the factories and railroads which at certain times had approx. a 50% mortality rate per year.

Once this had been completely accomplished and that pesky Civil War was yesterdays news, in the early 20th century, America decided that endemic, institutionally sanctioned hypocrisy worked so well that there was really no sense in stopping now and thus proceeded to preach a doctrine of global "peace" whilst turning all of that fire-and-brimstone rhetoric and violence against other nations and participating countless times in the wholesale slaughter of civilians with Weapons of Mass Destruction all the way through the 20th century.

Thus, we now move into the New Millennium and really cannot see anything wrong with condemning the N.Koreans for buying bombs instead of food, even while we are the most bankrupted nation on planet earth who has not won a major military confrontation in 67 years and yet continues to go double-down on nuclear weapons we cannot and will not ever use, trillion-dollar next-gen fighter planes that don't fly and that the Chinese stole the blueprints to anyways, and all manner of space-based weaponry and intelligence systems to help ensure that The Crusades 2.0 leave the Middle East a fractured and shattered hell hole for another 1,000 years so as to cripple their petroleum exporting ability and ensure obscenely expensive gasoline and big fat profits for Texans....Decrying "governmental intervention" in "private" business the entire time I might add.

As Gordon Gano of the Violent Femmes once so eloquently sang...
America is (x4)
America is the home of the hypocrite (x3)
American dream so f-f-full of it

Look at the indians
look at the blacks
look at the figures
look at the facts
check out the facts
the facts not the lies
when you find out
big surprise

America is the home of the hypocrite (x3)
American dream so f-f-full of it

check out the indians
check out the blacks
check out the figures
check out the facts
check out some facts
check out the facts not the lies
when you find out
it's a big surprise right between the eyes

America is the home of the hypocrite (x3)
American dream so f-f-full of it

american dream is only a dream
no desperation limit
new desperation level
even though my nose don't work
I smell trouble I smell trouble
no desperation limit
new desperation level
murder, mureder in the goverment
say you're sof-f-full of it

american dream is only a dream
no desperation limit
new desperation level
even though my nose don't work
I smell trouble I smell trouble
no desperation limit
new desperation level
murder, mureder in the government
say you're sorry
say you're sorry
no desperation limit
new desperation level
turn the key
turn the lock
nationalism
you can suck my..
no desperation limit
new desperation level
watch the worl's progressin'
everywhere
aggression, aggression (x3)

Link: www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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this was a good move, im sick of North Korea not playing by the rules we set them... and now their will be consequences... I actually agree with move

First positive thing I've said about the Obama cabinet for awhile!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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First off, let's get to some root-cause factors: North Korea can't figure out how to feed it's own people yet it spends money on military projects. And let's say, for the sake of argument, that this rocket was strictly for scientific purposes. Why not ask the US or Russia for imaging they need? Would have been much cheaper. It should not be up to the US to bail out every country that can't figure out how to run itself.

Second: the U.S. said, "Hey NK, don't shoot off that "projectile" or we'll cut off your food supply."

NK fired it anyway.

So how is the US the bad guys in this situation?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by gemdog
the most sad thing is that the 'people' and the 'government' are 2 very different things, and we should always, as human beings, try to help those in need. But we are sadly selfish creatures, and in the end, we often just do whatever personally benefits us most.
thus we end up saying "why should I? not my fault, not My problem."
Sad.
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The issue here is not that it's not our problem and Americans are not more selfish than anyone else, in fact who opens their pockets first when disaster stikes, ohhh Haiti, Indonesia, etc. Remember the tsunamis? We always wonder where the money really went. Even with Red Cross and such, a certain portion goes to administrative costs. Do you think those Red Cross people work for free? Who pays those UN Blue Helmets to go there and work? Why it's the US sending our money to the UN. People are so foolish and naive about the NWO and how it operates.
The issue is that TPTB create the problems then provide their world govt solutions. Invariably it's the US taxpayers that pick up the tab. Now more specifically with N Korea, not only is it not our problem or our fault, but we morally should not be financially propping up any communist country, but we gave loans to Russia for grain when their communist system was failing, when their collective farming failed to produce the amounts of grain they had formally produced. The failure of centralized control should never be propped up and it will still fail even after.
Now we are trying to still prop up centralized communist control in foreign countries while trying to keep our own boat afloat while the communist and socialist within our own borders are eating the seed corn.

There is no reason to hide the failure of N Korea's communist policies.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by MattNC
First off, let's get to some root-cause factors: North Korea can't figure out how to feed it's own people yet it spends money on military projects. And let's say, for the sake of argument, that this rocket was strictly for scientific purposes. Why not ask the US or Russia for imaging they need? Would have been much cheaper. It should not be up to the US to bail out every country that can't figure out how to run itself.

Second: the U.S. said, "Hey NK, don't shoot off that "projectile" or we'll cut off your food supply."

NK fired it anyway.

So how is the US the bad guys in this situation?


Why would the US give them imaging ? What is wrong with people today? Are people to young to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Let them give up communist rule first.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by DrNotforhire
this was a good move, im sick of North Korea not playing by the rules we set them... and now their will be consequences... I actually agree with move

First positive thing I've said about the Obama cabinet for awhile!


Right, but perhaps the military runs without him sometimes....


And I think the Senate Appropriations committee might have some sensible people.


But for the record here is how the UN can act as a World Totalitarian power and override specific sanctions, by calling on the US to fund its world food aid programs and then from there they can just send the food. Likely no one would be looking.

In fact here is what the Obama admin really did


The Obama Administration’s $1.4 billion request for PL 480 Title II is based on the premise of reducing

foodaid.org...

Can you imagine if cash transfers for food in N Korea went there via the Obama admin's directives? Even if the Senate committee did say no to N Korea, this UN program would easily sidestep Congressional oversight. These people are sneaky communists.

Lest anyone think that Mr Obama has given up on his Global Poverty Act givingness of US dollars to the rest of the world while the world hates our guts.....

[Article Summarized by Meridian Institute] The Obama administration is working to build upon and strengthen the 2009 L’Aquila commitments on global food security as part of a proposal that will be presented to G-8 leaders at their Camp David meeting in May. According to Tjada McKenna, the deputy coordinator for development at the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)’s Feed the Future program, “President Obama has led efforts to address global hunger issues ranging from the recent food crisis to acute hunger and malnutrition. The president’s leadership was central to the G-8’s historic L’Aquila commitments on food security.


www.foodandagpolicy.org...

Mr Obama is 100 % Marxist.... from each according to his ability to each according to his need... It's the Marxist motto of communist/socialist redistribution of wealth. Obama has stuck to it since his campaign for the Presidency and before when he was a Senator and with Joe Biden introduced the Global Poverty Act.


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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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As I recall, it was a World War and Germany lost. As a cooperative of forces, all the free world won. But then we later found out that Russia was sending it's own people to the gulags. General Patton knew. He knew then that Russia was not to be trusted. The KGB and the Politburo kept a lot of stuff sealed until after the fall of the Berlin Wall.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Its something the Bloodlines, TPB orchestrate amongst themselves, but it has nothing to do with the people, they are victims and held hostage by Darth Vader and his Death Star technology, and its time for the people in the US/UK and western world TO WAKE UP AND STOP THEIR LEADERS AND THE HIDDEN ONES, SHINE THAT LIGHT AND EXPOSE THEM AND ARREST THEIR ASSES.

All the people need to live in equality, and freedom, including those in North Korea.

Those people have suffered enough and all who don't oppose their corrupt systems and stop propping this corruption up, are IMO personally responsible for the suffering of massive populations around the world, and the vulnerable in their own countries.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by gemdog
the most sad thing is that the 'people' and the 'government' are 2 very different things, and we should always, as human beings, try to help those in need. But we are sadly selfish creatures, and in the end, we often just do whatever personally benefits us most.
thus we end up saying "why should I? not my fault, not My problem."
Sad.
edit on 13-4-2012 by gemdog because: (no reason given)


The issue here is not that it's not our problem and Americans are not more selfish than anyone else, in fact who opens their pockets first when disaster stikes, ohhh Haiti, Indonesia, etc. Remember the tsunamis? We always wonder where the money really went. Even with Red Cross and such, a certain portion goes to administrative costs. Do you think those Red Cross people work for free? Who pays those UN Blue Helmets to go there and work? Why it's the US sending our money to the UN. People are so foolish and naive about the NWO and how it operates.
The issue is that TPTB create the problems then provide their world govt solutions. Invariably it's the US taxpayers that pick up the tab. Now more specifically with N Korea, not only is it not our problem or our fault, but we morally should not be financially propping up any communist country, but we gave loans to Russia for grain when their communist system was failing, when their collective farming failed to produce the amounts of grain they had formally produced. The failure of centralized control should never be propped up and it will still fail even after.
Now we are trying to still prop up centralized communist control in foreign countries while trying to keep our own boat afloat while the communist and socialist within our own borders are eating the seed corn.

There is no reason to hide the failure of N Korea's communist policies.




I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Too bad money makes the world go round.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Germanicus
 


As I recall, it was a World War and Germany lost. As a cooperative of forces, all the free world won. But then we later found out that Russia was sending it's own people to the gulags. General Patton knew. He knew then that Russia was not to be trusted. The KGB and the Politburo kept a lot of stuff sealed until after the fall of the Berlin Wall.


Which "World War II" are you referring to? The one that happened in this dimension or in the parallell universe from your H.S. History Text book originated?

The US and the USSR were at odds and EXTREMELY distrustful of one another pretty much instantaneously with the 1919 Communist Revolution. The US Propaganda machine fired up printing anti-commie rhetoric and radical revolutionaries of American origin on BOTH SIDES of the debate started killing one another over the ideas of Capitalism vs. Communism. A mini-Cold War of sorts.

The Russians and the United States were not ever so much allies as simply not as big of enemies with one another as they both were with Germany. It was an alliance born out of sheer necessity. In fact, a big part of the reason we dropped two A-Bombs on Japan in such rapid succession was to prove to Russia that we could not only manage to produce one...but that we presumably had more of them as well.

The Cold War was in full swing before the Japanese even surrended.

Yes, Patton knew about the gulags and that Stalin was a grade-A asshole....and so did virtually every other American citizen too.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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yes, we were likely at some odds with Russia but remember the communist party operated within the boundaries of the US as well. Communists were organizing for decades after the Bolshevik Revolution. There were factions of pro communist then and they remain today.
I remember well the movie "Patton" and how our generals attended a celebration party with the Ruskies and how Patton was not so friendly because he knew.

I do agree with you that we were not such great buddies with Russia but we still allied with them in the war. So, my whole point in my remark was that not that "Russia won the war" against Germany as the gentleman suggested, but that the coalition of countries allied won against Germany. The accusation that we just came in and oh yay we win is ludicrous to say the least. Americans may not know a lot about the fighting on the Russian front as Germans advanced, but we sure as heck know about D-Day and how many men we lost advancing there. My own Dad was a paratrooper in the 82nd.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Wow. After reading all of these posts it's no wonder we keep electing the douchey Congresspeople time and time again.

As an armchair guesstimate I would venture to say that 90% of this thread views food aid to N. Korea as "welfare", has little to no understanding of why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, has not ever learned the most rudimentary lessons of military strategy from our shared global history, and likely has not ever been privy to a negotiation more complex than haggling over a used car.

It's no wonder we keep getting ourselves in unwinnable wars. We keep voting for the candidates that are the most like the "common joe" and the "common joe" doesn't know their ass from a hole in ground.

WE DON'T GIVE N. KOREA FOOD BECAUSE WE ARE SO "NICE". WE GIVE THEM FOOD BECAUSE:

A. IT'S A METHOD OF CONTROL.
B. ITS BEEN WAY CHEAPER THAN CONTINUING TO FIGHT THE KOREAN WAR THE LAST 50+ YEARS.
C. THE FOOD DELIVERIES THEMSELVES ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ESPIONAGE, GATHERING INTEL AND SMUGGLING ITEMS AND PEOPLE INTO AND OUT OF AN OTHERWISE SEALED OFF COUNTRY.
D. EVERY SALESMAN KNOWS THAT WHOEVER IS PICKING UP THE CHECK FOR DINNER IS THE ONE WHO IS IN CONTROL WHO IS REALLY IN CONTROL OF THE BUSINESS MEETING.

You guys have been so inundated with punditry rhetoric about "welfare" and (gasp) "wealth redistribution" that you are simply too ignorant to understand the strategic and monetary value that a such a TINY expenditure has in international relations.

Same thing with domestic "welfare". You know why food stamps are a great bargain? Because history tells us that roving bands of marauding humans being propelled only by their animal instincts for survival ARE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE TO DEAL WITH THAN JUST FEEDING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

If food stamps went away tomorrow...you have 40 million Americans going hungry. It's easy to say "who care's" until a handful of those 40 million Americans have you and your family at gunpoint while they raid your house or are pillaging the city and turning the entire country into a post-apocalyptic hellscape.

The good news is that everyone saves $150/yr on their taxes. The bad news is that you will now have a $20,000/yr tax hike to suppress the Rebels inside our own borders.

IT'S CHEAPER TO CHANGE THE OIL THAN TO LET THE PISTONS SEIZE UP, PEOPLE!!! LET'S PREVENT THE PROBLEMS AS BEST WE CAN BEFORE THEY START...ALLRIGHT?

STOP BEING SO DAMN CHEAP AND SHORT-SIGHTED!!!!!!



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by MissCoyote
Its been a very long time since i made a thread but honestly come on I am so ashamed of my country right now because the leader wanted to fire a "ROCKET" we are going to starve the people
WoW I am so undeniable proud of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Honestly when our Sheep finally wake up the governments going to be in a world of hurt by its own civil war.


Damn, you're right. The US should be responsible for the feeding of North Korea.


You do realize that the NKs spend 99% of their money on weapons and the military. That's why their people are starving.


Originally posted by MissCoyote
STOP CALLING IT A MISSILE PEOPLE
"Initial indications are that the first stage of the missile fell into the sea 165 km west of Seoul, South Korea," they said in a news release. "The remaining stages were assessed to have failed and no debris fell on land. At no time were the missile or the resultant debris a threat."


Once again, right again! Because the Norks are only going to use this "rocket" for peace. Just like the V2 was only used for peace by the Nazis.

You don't have a single clue about North Korea, do you? Do you honestly think it's a beautiful, peaceful place of freedom??



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I remember well the movie "Patton" and how our generals attended a celebration party with the Ruskies and how Patton was not so friendly because he knew.


Ahhh...that explains it. FYI: While the movie "Patton" is admitedly a decent flick...it's historical value is almost nil.

Everybody in the States, save for the most illiterate of country bumpkins knew that Stalin was a major dickhead before, during, and after WWII. J. Edgar Hoover made certain of it.

Ironically, the fringe elements of the Communist/Socialist party(ies) in the States have more or less always correctly maintained that Marxist ideals are not necessarily part-and-parcel to tyranny. The reality is that Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's Russia, and the present-day United States are all fascist governments with vastly differing systems of economic control.

Fascism is defined as a perfect union between governmental and corporations/businesses. Whether those businesses in league with the government are focused upon equal or near-equal redistribution of goods, wealth, and services or whether the mantra of the day is survival of the fittest is wholly irrelevant to fascist political philosophy. All that matters in fascism is that the peasants are taking orders and having their lives run by corporations and government TOGETHER.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Are you trying to insult me by informing me that my appreciation of a movie glorifying one of the greatest military generals of all time is the determining factor in my not caving to some guy whose avatar only a day or so ago sported Das Kapital if I'm not mistaken....
I'm not sacrificing the memory of yankee know how to a bunch of socialist and fascist wannabes. People in the US are trying to turn it more fascist and more socialist and more totalitarian all the time. But a good study of Hegelian Dialectic shows that the conflict of the two forces brings about the synthesis.
Many people in foreign countries hate the US because the NWO leaders within our boundaries have become aggressors. And yet the Rothschild rulers have begun to make darn sure that we will take the fall for World Communism.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Wouldn't that be China's job? Why is it that America has to do everything and feed everybody?

American Taxpayers--The most taken advantage of people on earth.


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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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What secular revisionist history do you take your cue from? The Bill Maher Secular College of Religion-Haters?



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by lokdog
So a few million North Koreans are gonna starve, i don't care. I will lose no sleep over this, infact i'm going to lay down right now with a big smile on my face and be thankfull that i have food a plenty and a roof over my head. While i'm at it i'm gonna give thank's to the super evil USA that makes it possible for me to live better than 90% of the rest of the world. Mmmm sweet dreams ya'll.


They've been starving for years too. I heard years ago that you never see dogs or cats roaming the streets..



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Oh right, let's just give N Korea exactly what they are demanding. What if we did that with Germany? Do you speaka Sprechen zie deutsch? What if Reagan never stood up to even the dummies in his own CFR ruled admin and never delivered that "Tear Down That Walll" speech to Berliners? His own speechwriter told the story of how people in the admin tried to get him to back down off that demand.
So your stance is to bribe the N Koreans....and you criticize US foreign policy....you sound like you are part of the CFR apparatus...




As an armchair guesstimate I would venture to say that 90% of this thread views food aid to N. Korea as "welfare",


Not simply welfare, although what do we owe the N Koreans anyway? But aid to communist enemies.
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