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Shocks given at Rotenberg Center were "harming" autistic teen, expert testifies

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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 08:08 PM

Originally posted by TattooedWarrior

Originally posted by Flux8
reply to post by all6ixes

I think only half of the problem is awareness. Here's the other half of the problem...

At least they weren't using real electric shocks. But this does show us how most people are willing to submit to perceived authority to do the most atrocious things, against their own internal moral and ethical objections.

Closely related...

They were'nt real electric shocks?? Fu=k off you heatless peice of sh=t. The shocks they receive can be 10 times more powerful than police tazers if you care to look into the subject a bit more. Arsehole.

Whoa there cowboy. What I was referring to by, "At least they weren't using real electric shocks." was in regard to the experiment I linked to. I can tell you didn't read the link(s), at least in full. I suggest you do. It is evidence that most people are capable of doing horrible things to others, and will continue to do so, as long as a perceived authority figure coerces them to...

Milgram Experiment

The volunteer subject was given the role of teacher, and the confederate, the role of learner. The participants drew slips of paper to determine their roles, but unknown to the subject, both slips said "teacher", and the actor claimed to have the slip that read "learner", thus guaranteeing that the participant would always be the "teacher". At this point, the "teacher" and "learner" were separated into different rooms where they could communicate but not see each other. In one version of the experiment, the confederate was sure to mention to the participant that he had a heart condition.[1]

The "teacher" was given an electric shock from the electro-shock generator as a sample of the shock that the "learner" would supposedly receive during the experiment. The "teacher" was then given a list of word pairs which he was to teach the learner. The teacher began by reading the list of word pairs to the learner. The teacher would then read the first word of each pair and read four possible answers. The learner would press a button to indicate his response. If the answer was incorrect, the teacher would administer a shock to the learner, with the voltage increasing in 15-volt increments for each wrong answer. If correct, the teacher would read the next word pair.[1]

The subjects believed that for each wrong answer, the learner was receiving actual shocks. In reality, there were no shocks.

In the Milgram experiment no actual shocks were given.

After the confederate was separated from the subject, the confederate set up a tape recorder integrated with the electro-shock generator, which played pre-recorded sounds for each shock level. After a number of voltage level increases, the actor started to bang on the wall that separated him from the subject. After several times banging on the wall and complaining about his heart condition, all responses by the learner would cease.[1]

At this point, many people indicated their desire to stop the experiment and check on the learner. Some test subjects paused at 135 volts and began to question the purpose of the experiment. Most continued after being assured that they would not be held responsible. A few subjects began to laugh nervously or exhibit other signs of extreme stress once they heard the screams of pain coming from the learner.[1]

If at any time the subject indicated his desire to halt the experiment, he was given a succession of verbal prods by the experimenter, in this order:[1]
1.Please continue.
2.The experiment requires that you continue.
3.It is absolutely essential that you continue.
4.You have no other choice, you must go on.

If the subject still wished to stop after all four successive verbal prods, the experiment was halted. Otherwise, it was halted after the subject had given the maximum 450-volt shock three times in succession.[1]

The experimenter also gave special prods if the teacher made specific comments. If the teacher asked whether the learner might suffer permanent physical harm, the experimenter replied "Although the shocks may be painful, there is no permanent tissue damage, so please go on". If the teacher said that the learner clearly wants to stop, the experimenter replied, "Whether the learner likes it or not, you must go on until he has learned all the word pairs correctly, so please go on".

Milgram experiment original video 1961

So, please, before you start blasting away at people at least listen to ,or in this case read, what others are saying first. Thank you.

Mods, I apologize for the lengthy excerpt. Since my previous post was mistaken I took the liberty to be a bit more explicit.

posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 08:27 PM
reply to post by Thaxter

What was posted in the DOX is a list of donations made by employees of the Judge Rotenberg Center. You must connect the dots.

It begins with former House Speaker Sal DiMasi.

BOSTON — After a six-week trial, a jury needed only hours before finding former House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi guilty on seven of nine counts in his public corruption case, including conspiracy, two counts of mail fraud, three counts of wire fraud and extortion. The verdict made DiMasi the third consecutive House speaker convicted of a felony. Jurors found DiMasi, a North End Democrat often described as the most powerful person in state government during his run as leader of the House, had deprived Massachusetts citizens of his honest services. Read more: Link

Former director Matthew Israel, and current director Glenda Crookes were contributors to Sal DiMasi.

Robert DeLeo steps in to the picture.

In 2005, Speaker Salvatore DiMasi appointed DeLeo as chairman of the House Committee on Ways and Means. According to the Globe, "He became so identified with handing out perks to members that earmarks became known as DeLeo Dollars". Link

In 2009 DeLeo replaces DiMasi as speaker of the house. The number of JRC employee donations increase to DeLeo.

And the paper trail begins...

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