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9-11 The blue & red pill of the Matrix { a comparison}

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Before starting this thread, my view on 9-11 is that it was an highly orchestrated false flag terror event (not necessarily state sponsored) to advance many Geo-strategic goals such has but not limited to;

- Reasoning for permanent warfare
- Securing oil reserves (in an era of rising prices, rising demand & limited production & supply)
- Ensuring that oil continues to be traded on American dollars (thus inflating the value of the fiat currency)
- Constructing a "Oil & gas" pipeline from the "stans" (Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan..etc) through Afghanistan &
Pakistan
potentially worth trillions and competing with the Iran/India pipeline that could service china.
- More power to the state over the lives of individuals (they can now arrest us without Habeus corpus, without
warrant, spy on us, detain us indefinitely, torture us in third party countries and much more more. The average
citizen is now part of the definition of terrorist.
- Maintain America's global hegemony in an increasing multi-polar world, use force and fight multiple theaters of
war simultaneously (as per the PNAC policy papers)
- Securing the realm in a ideology & religion war (fighting Israel's enemies) unconsciously fighting a crusade
while they are fighting a jihad

Good references for my views are contained but not limited to documentaries such as
(just to name a few)

- Why we fight www.youtube.com...
- The oil factor behind the war on terror www.youtube.com...
- IRAQ for sale, The war profiteers www.youtube.com...
- 911 ripple effect www.youtube.com...
- Architects & engineers for 911 truth www.youtube.com...
- 911 a conspiracy theory (satirical) www.youtube.com...
(if you can only watch one, watch this last 5 min video)

Anyway here is the OP-ed;

It seems to me that on 911, everyone was given a choice similarly to Neo in the Matrix.
www.youtube.com...

Even at an unconscious level, everyone had to choose between the blue pill (official story) or the red pill (alternative story) which in turn affects how you perceive the world.
I've always loved that Movie. It is infinitely more complex that it seems at first glance. A good thread on that subject can be found here;
www.abovetopsecret.com...

9-11 was a traumatic & psychologically shocking event for many. Most didn't have time to reason only time to react and feel. Afterwards most people made a conscious or unconscious choice of they believe happened and it is almost irreversible. I consider my parents to be logical & intelligent people, however they've chosen the official story pill and don't have the stomach or the will to be convinced otherwise. Most of the masses probably behaved this way on 9-11 and shortly after.

I personally took the alternative story pill. I've always been fascinated by mysteries, ancient civilizations & the paranormal so i was really open minded to begin with. I watched the events live on the day and was literally traumatized although i thought there were many odd things happening as the event was unfolding (perhaps glitches in the matrix...lol). I happened to skip school that day and couldn't sleep either for some reason. I stayed home and was watching the news that morning i thought bush looked suspicious in the classroom, i heard CNN (as received in Canada) talk about a military helicopter crash into the pentagon and i saw dozens of black helicopter go near the roof of the towers without landing of saving anyone. I momentarily thought that the news media were really on the ball that day with experts declaring who had committed the crime live on TV within an hour and last but not least i also thought the building "fell" in a very bizarre fashion. These were my initial thoughts as the event was unfolding and i usually give benefit of the doubt to everyone and thought that it was really Osama bin laden.

Then i saw an interview of Osama bin laden 2 or so weeks after the vents denying involvement. i thought, why would a America-hater, Freedom hater terrorist actually deny being the mastermind of the largest terrorist attack in history on the infidels. Any terrorist would have been proud to die as a martyr after accepting responsibility for such a terrorizing achievement. Then i (still 2 weeks after the event) i looked online and saw that there were stock markets profits that showed advance knowledge and then i started my own little investigation and found so much evidence that something was wrong that i was convinced 100% that the truth had not prevailed on that day.

Foreknowledge
many intelligence agencies warned the US about an imminent attack
A Jewish man, contacted the FBI Washington HQ and was met by Special agents twice 9 months prior
Sibel Edmond's deposition details our intimate relationship with Bin laden as a CIA-ISI asset until 9-11
Carlyle group (investors George Bush Sr. & Saleed Bin laden) investing in American military companies
Stock market trades on American airlines profited almost 2.3 millions dollars in put options, unclaimed & linked to 3rd man in CIA Buzzy Krongard
The dancing Israelis (mossad agents) videotaped the event, on a talk show in Israel, admitted that they had come to videotape the event
The Lone gunmen pilot episode featured a government plot to remotely control an airliner into the twin towers to justify another war in the middle east. (months prior to 9-11)
all the war game scenarios on the day of 9-11 featuring the actual targets NRO drill of terrorist hijacking planes into the WTC, Pentagon drill of an Missile fired into pentagon (amalgram virgo).

I'm just skimming the surface. There is so much evidence of alternative story that any rational thinking person who puts in the effort should see it this way. Although, if you've taken the blue pill, it's different.

You think that we are lunatics, paranoid schizos, and that Osama hated freedom end of story.

By the way, seal team 6 members are all dead, Pakistan destroyed the compound where the raid took place, osama's body was dumped in international waters without witnesses and our proof that it happened is this;




But then;
Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

So Obama, Never saw the body, never saw the man, FBI doesn't have evidence linking osama to 9-11.
Who is in the dreamworld now ?

Please don't attack me... Civil conversation ...add substance to my topic and don't derail. Topic is 9-11 & matrix.




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 08:42 AM
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More food for thought





posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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TheOklahoma attack was the red pill overdose for me.......
Ive been over amped on the reds ever since.....i find them buried everywhere now.....
9/11 started out out with me thinking terrorist attack, right up to the moment the building collapsed (tower #1)
The two other collapses both just reinforced the red pill freak out.......
Ever since a sublevel of my mind has not stopped turning over and over the whole sceario looking for a way out for myself, and for the people.
Talk about trepidation....i can see that NAZI frieght train speeding down onto an american public tied to the tracks by patriotism, and apathy and too blind to see that the freedom they prize so highly is about to be usurped totally by
a system of totalitarian control augmented with high tech, and enforced by mind controlled zombies.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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I know all this 'evidence' as been shown time and time again on other threads but I suppose it gives the newer members chance to look through the thread and see how many inconsistencies and coincidences there were. My personal favourite 'coincidence' was the world trade centre album, released in July of 2001. Il post the link below, check out track 11

www.amazon.com...=tomsxenastore/103-6077163-5315003


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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it's been 11 years and there are so many inconsistancies, that one would think with Obama as president, there would have at least been a independant commission set up. but, i think he was told in a rather discreet, but ominous way to not persue it. this leads me to believe that some very wealthy people, have the power to cause massive damage to our economic future, possibly with the additional threat of bodily harm.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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If I'm reading into what you are saying correctly, it was almost a sort of test. Take the red pill or take the blue. Decide quickly.

That is a very interesting theory.

Oh, and I don't believe the O.S. either. In fact your retelling of how you perceived things both initially and later on are pretty much exactly how it went for me as well.

Thanks for posting.

If one reads the writings of David Ray Griffin with an open mind it strikes me as pretty hard to swallow the OS pill for sure.

I'll toss up one of my favorite YouTube videos to help contribute:



ETA - dooleysleftleg, I think your link is broken. I went to wikipedia to determine what the hub-bub was. Holy crud! That is very, very weird.

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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The physics pill is black.

But the expiration date on Neo's passport is one of those things that makes you go hmmm...

psik



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by dooleysleftleg
I know all this 'evidence' as been shown time and time again on other threads but I suppose it gives the newer members chance to look through the thread and see how many inconsistencies and coincidences there were. My personal favourite 'coincidence' was the world trade centre album, released in July of 2001. Il post the link below, check out track 11!!

www.amazon.com... dp/B000TEVFV0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1218906095&sr=8-1


just checked it out on amazon, and that is really bizarre. coincidence?....that is HUGE coincidence



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Sometimes fiction is more "real" than an inconceivable reality.

on Sept 10th 2011, Rumsfeld announced that 2.3 trillion $ were unaccounted for.
The next day, the Navy accountants tracking the money die in the pentagon crash.
So did the SEC (securities & exchange commission) files on ENRON in WTC.

It's like the government had themselves a fundraiser without direct involvement in the event.

Who killed John O'neil ? FBI Counter-terrorism specialist #1 expert in the world on Osama. Resigns from FBI due to obstruction of investigations into alqueeda by Bush administration over oil deal with Taliban. Where was his first day on his new job ? ???? please try to guess ...

Head of security for the WTC complex, his first day was Sept 11th 2011. You cannot make this stuff up.

OK i got one more... A plane disappears, no pieces can found, the black box can't be recovered and the largest office furniture found in the wreckage is a small piece of telephone. Although, A terrorist's passport survives the crash, the fiery inferno & the collapse to be found intact by a police officer.

Ok, i got another one, The sollicator general's (highest legal representative of the state) wife is aboard the plane and tells him over the phone the "main construct of the official story" arab terrorist with boxcutters have taken over the plane.

If it feels like a hollywood plot, it most likely is one.

Maybe (creative SPECULATION); another goal of 9-11 was to identify all the potential resistance to the NWO fascist world government agenda. To come out in the open and to identify those who would not comply with the new religion / control / drug / reality... We may be already drugged (GMO, Fluoride in water, chem trails, ELF, VLF, Harp) END OF SPECULATION


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Topic is 9-11 & matrix.


The "Matrix" was a make believe movie. And you are taking too many pills.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Hey PupetMaster, straight shootin thread that should leave blue pills regurgitating from coast to coast.
I'm constantly inspired every time I treat myself to the Matrix and I agree its messages and the theories it deals with are at the very core of everyones lives.

As you showed the evidence is OVERWHELMING and it takes a special mindset and focus to deny it. I honestly cant imagine anyone becoming aware of the plethora of information available and unavailable, without returning with a healthy thirst for questions, that they will soon realize can not be quenched by the blue pill(OS).

In my humble opinion, the taking of the red pill is a declaration, the signing of an oath to oneself. An irreversible decision to be the master of ones own moment and destiny, THROUGH THE QUEST FOR, AND ACCEPTANCE OF, TRUTH.

The blue pill signifies something totally different, the taker declares that they shall not be the master of their own destiny. A simple decision to deny the truth which in turn means they are subordinate to those telling lies. THEY BECOME SLAVES AND ARE DESTINED TO STAY SLAVES.

This decision, is the most important moment in anyones life. and thats an understatement. With an open mind, 911, like any of the other massive conspiracies committed against the people in this world can be the catalyst to taking the red pill, ENLIGHTENING ONESELF AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE GETTING SOMEONE ELSE TO QUESTION HOW THEY EVER TOOK THE BLUE PILL IN THE FIRST PLACE.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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Please don't attack me... Civil conversation ...add substance to my topic and don't derail.

Please elaborate on your opinion. Your own opinion of the topic. Attacking me will lead you nowhere.

Your point that the matrix was a make believe movie for example eludes the fact that it contains references to the simulation argument in philosophy. The book simulacra & simulation by Jean Beaudillard was mandatory reading for all cast members and is featured in the movie. All entertainment movies are fictitious although attempt to provoke your thoughts. This movie definitely accomplishes this for me at least.

This video may explain a bit more about the substance of reality
www.youtube.com...

This thread also hints at the possibility that the world is a "halofractographic" simulation.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

May i ask your views on 9-11? Did you take the blue pill ?

EDIT: i just looked at some of your threads and you do support the official story.
Funny that you would use these tactics to discredit the topic instead of using real arguments, however in sociology, a NEG or negative statement towards someone lowers their social value while it raises yours.
Logic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. Logic is also studied in argumentation theory.[4]
from wikipedia.


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Anyones whos tried clicking my link above about the 'world trade centre album'.....the link is finally fixed....apologies for getting it wrong twice!! Once again,check out track 11 and this was released in June 2001!!



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Please don't attack me... Civil conversation ...add substance to my topic and don't derail.

Trust me, I was being civil. I only know three languages - English, Sarcasm and Profanity.

Please elaborate on your opinion. Your own opinion of the topic. Attacking me will lead you nowhere.

What attack? Really - stay away from the pills.

Your point that the matrix was a make believe movie for example eludes the fact that it contains references to the simulation argument in philosophy.

Its make believe.

The book simulacra & simulation by Jean Beaudillard was mandatory reading for all cast members and is featured in the movie.

Its a make believe movie. All pretend. There is no matrix. No alternative reality. Just this one.

All entertainment movies are fictitious although attempt to provoke your thoughts.

Not really.

This movie definitely accomplishes this for me at least.

And that is a serious problem. Again, there is no alternative reality. There are things I don't know and things you don't know, but they are still part of our reality

This video may explain a bit more about the substance of reality

Don't need a youtube video to explain reality to me. I am quite familiar with it.

This thread also hints at the possibility that the world is a "halofractographic" simulation.

Open the door and go outside.

May i ask your views on 9-11? Did you take the blue pill ?

There are no pills.


EDIT: i just looked at some of your threads and you do support the official story.
Funny that you would use these tactics to discredit the topic instead of using real arguments, however in sociology, a NEG or negative statement towards someone lowers their social value while it raises yours.
Logic is used in most intellectual activities, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, semantics, and computer science. Logic is also studied in argumentation theory.[4]
from wikipedia.

Tell you what try this - see if you can discredit your own arguments. Test them. See how they stand up first to your own review.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Some more substance to support the deep meanings of the Matrix Movie in relation to modern institutions & the system.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

Quote; "The act of measurement or observation creates the entire universe".
If there are no observers, the atoms are everywhere & nowhere simultaneously. (quantum physics)

More advance knowledge by the powers that be (11 months in advance)
www.youtube.com...


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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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I think th OP is reading too much into the whole thing.
Sometimes a turd in the grass is just that a turd.

If you try hard enough you can make obscure connections between any two (or more) events. Like numerology.

Example Kate and William got married on the same day as Adolf an Eva. Is there anything significant about it? No.

Plus there have been a few examples of one entity trying to control all of the worlds 'blank'. But it has never come close to sucess. All it takes is one good redneck to screw up the most perfect plan. And there are lots of rednecks all over the world.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Hooper my friend.
You can disagree with the topic and argue with logic if you wish. It seems you have not chosen to do that.

Were you civil ? Did you attack me. I think so. Telling me to stay away from the pills and in doing so labeling me a paranoid schizos like i said in my OP-ED. Funny.

Now to your arguments about the topic;

Quantum physicist are discussing parallel universes, realities & the simulation argument right now in universities around the world buddy. The movie is make believe entertainment, (that is also thought provoking) based on topics of philosophy & physics where no one can claim to know ultimately what reality is.

Open the door and go outside? Your funny. Again labelling me as insane or "on pills".

Great logical arguments. You did not address a single 911 point made, nor did you logically argue any of the simulation references made between the movie & 9-11. Osama is an agent of the system and if your a paid shill, so are you.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Thanks,pupet. Well written. It has always amazed me that intelligent friends of mine refuse to even begin to investigate the obvious flaws in the OS. I can only conclude that because the 'truth' is so horrible, they sub-consciously look away. So far only one idiot has chimed in, so maybe we will be able to understand why this self imposed blindness about that day exists among so many Americans, before they derail another thread.

I like to hope that one day, a prominent, well connected individual, will have the balls to speak out about the lies we've been force fed. How, can every single person in the mainstream media be held in check? Sooner or later someone with nothing left to lose, will speak out. I'm counting on it.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Sometimes a turd in the grass is just that a turd.
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I love how the "official story believers" aka blue pill takers according to my OP-ED, use wonderful logic to expand the topic of conversation. That must be why i'm mostly just a lurker on this site. The post (topic) is about the simulation argument & how 911 seemed to divide the whole world like a religion.

not numerology, not kate & will, not rednecks, not turds.
Interesting to see in your other PRO- official story threads how you seem to have logical arguments.
You can use some in here as well.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Hey, Puppetmaster welcome back from your sleep Rip Van Winkle ... it's 2012.. NOT 2006.



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