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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 12:12 AM by pshea38
Originally posted by webpirate
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You still haven't answered my original question. If he isn't real, then who shot the guy in the hoodie? And why? And then why make such an elaborate hoax? I believe there is way more going on in the world today than to worry about someone creating a "fake" human to shoot someone who you yourself even just said might also be fake.


Ah, so you will neither put up or shut up after my offer to prove I exist!

Well if zimmerman isn't real, shouldn't we consider the possibility that travyon martin
isn't real, the shooting never happened, and all photos of martin are photoshop
creations also. There certainly are issues with most of photos I have seen of him.

If you want to stir up s**t and forward agendas, it doesn't matter if a story is fake or real,
as long as the public believe it is real.
Faking these events keeps things an awful lot cleaner and more controllable for
the perpetrators, is all.
And the perpetrators have the means, motive and opportunity to fake events.

And they have, many times in the past.

London, Madrid, Oslo and other faked terror events

Worldwide media deceptions
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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 12:17 AM by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by pshea38
Superficially though, to bump support for obama, encourage public unrest with divide
and conquer tactics, to provide more ammunition for the removal of guns from the public etc. etc.

Obama made two statements about the case and is now refusing to say anything more about it... I have seen no one say that their support for Obama has gone up because of this either....So, I think realistically, we should rule out that.

Encourage public unrest? Are you suggesting this country is currently happy with the way things are and we are resting peacefully? Divide and conquer tactics? Friend, this country can't get any more divided..... It would be like hitting an already angry hornets nest with a stick....Pointless and stupid....That as a possible reason makes no sense to me.

As for guns. I've seen no one at all stepping up after this incident saying that this is the reason guns need to be taken away. I've seen some calling for arms...But none to have them taken away...And frankly, they would have to do a lot more than stage a murder...People are murdered with guns all the time. It hasn't made people want to give up guns so far, and I don't think it ever will.I don't think that works as a reason why.


But the early unwise comments by obama, the early release of manipulative photographs,
the selective and blatantly deceptive reporting of the 911 conversations etc. etc. are
a little too obvious and overtly incriminating.


Oh come on. Politicians and the MSM are idiots... you give these people way to much credit that they do not deserve. In reality, the only thing that politicians and the MSM care about are their ratings. They say and do things hoping to gain higher approval ratings. Most of the time, the things they say and do are stupid...It's not some plan to trick us all....They really are just that stupid.

I think that we are meant to take note of those who have been made to look bad in this case.


I think you are looking way to far into it and seeing a conspiracy where there is none. Of course, that is just my humble opinion. Time will tell, I suspect.

Sometimes, things really are as they seem....

Anyway, thanks for replying to me. I appreciate it. I am off to other threads

Oh, on a side note. My gut feeling was that you were going to say the reason why was to "distract us from what is really going on". That old unoriginal chestnut that is apparently the reason for everything in the world ever happening. At least around ATS.

"Daddy, why is the sky blue?" " To distract us from what is really going on, honey"

Have a great night.

Peace and love

GST
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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 12:43 AM by pshea38
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So an all out race war wouldn't make any difference to the dire situation
the U.S. finds itself in now. Come on. It could potentially devastate large swathes
of urban America and lead to the ushering in of martial law, and a huge step closer
to the ultimate goals of those who have been in power for so long.

In a black V's white environment running up to the election,
who would the alienated blacks be more likely to vote for?

But as I said, I have my own reasons for suspecting a set-up here,
and I believe that we won't have long to wait to find out exactly why!

Nothing is as it seems Gimme!

(Is that the real john lennon in your avatar, or one of his replacements? )
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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 12:46 AM by paradox
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Well, this site has a video of him inside the police station from the security cameras.

www.latimes.com...


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 01:45 AM by onfire49
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Does blindly rejecting everything in any MSM piece make a more workable situation. I can understand people questioning the story but the question the man exists? I mean on that line, do I have to accept that you are just another guy posting on ATS. I mean its conceivable that you are a govt agent, or just a super intelligent computer that can respond. But both are likely false. You could post a few pics of yourself or you can show us your facebook page, but in the age of photoshop those may be fake. My point is that its is 99.99999999999999999% likely that Zimmerman is a real person, and just because its a media story it isnt any less believable. His existence isnt the least likely part of this story.

I mean I can show things that tend to show he exists, such as the photos, the police surveillance film, his lawyers, the prosecutors, his family, his friends, his neighbors, the police records, etc. I certainly believe those are more probable evidence for my side then yours. I mean apply the same logic to anyone that isnt a major figure in history, say someone in WWII who died. There may be a few surviving pictures, but assuming he has no surviving relatives it is certainly hard to prove he ever existed. If anyone is going about this blindly it is you. You are challenging the existence of someone because A) you dont trust the MSM at all and B) you dont like the looks of the photos. Id say the evidence weighs much higher on the other end.

Once again not everything that happens is a conspiracy. The main issue here may be the official story. This is my main issue with the conspiracy radio hosts and their die hard fans. The basic line of thinking is "X event happens and its not neat and clean....well therefore it must be a govt cover up." Certainly the MSM has an agenda but I just dont see you angle my friend


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 01:51 AM by pshea38
Originally posted by paradox
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post by pshea38



Well, this site has a video of him inside the police station from the security cameras.

www.latimes.com...




Thanks for posting that, but you have to admit that this does not make matters
any clearer. The man captured is barely recognisable and it seems as if the video
is vague and intentional in avoiding capturing a clear shot of not just zimmermans
face, but the police officers faces also.

And these are the clearest image that modern police security cameras can offer?
(by the way, if it is a security camera, why does it move with the action at the
beginning of the clip?)

Also notice how the officer seems to 'disappear' just after entering the building at 1.21min!

This story is so contrived andI don't buy it. I think this video is faked.
These things can be so easily generated and that video has the look of been
generated about it, with the jerky movements of those in view, and the washed out,
low quality video definition.


Where is the police mugshot from that evening with zimmerman in the red coat and green t-shirt?


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 02:26 AM by pshea38
Originally posted by onfire49
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post by pshea38



Does blindly rejecting everything in any MSM piece make a more workable situation. I can understand people questioning the story but the question the man exists? I mean on that line, do I have to accept that you are just another guy posting on ATS. I mean its conceivable that you are a govt agent, or just a super intelligent computer that can respond. But both are likely false. You could post a few pics of yourself or you can show us your facebook page, but in the age of photoshop those may be fake. My point is that its is 99.99999999999999999% likely that Zimmerman is a real person, and just because its a media story it isnt any less believable. His existence isnt the least likely part of this story.

I mean I can show things that tend to show he exists, such as the photos, the police surveillance film, his lawyers, the prosecutors, his family, his friends, his neighbors, the police records, etc. I certainly believe those are more probable evidence for my side then yours. I mean apply the same logic to anyone that isnt a major figure in history, say someone in WWII who died. There may be a few surviving pictures, but assuming he has no surviving relatives it is certainly hard to prove he ever existed. If anyone is going about this blindly it is you. You are challenging the existence of someone because A) you dont trust the MSM at all and B) you dont like the looks of the photos. Id say the evidence weighs much higher on the other end.

Once again not everything that happens is a conspiracy. The main issue here may be the official story. This is my main issue with the conspiracy radio hosts and their die hard fans. The basic line of thinking is "X event happens and its not neat and clean....well therefore it must be a govt cover up." Certainly the MSM has an agenda but I just dont see you angle my friend


You are not comparing like with like. I can prove I exist to you in 1 minute.
I am on skype.
You start by assuming the story is true, and from there decide what
the main issue is. In this day and age, it is foolish imo to make that assumption.
The media is a sold-out tool and is all about deception and manipulation.
You assume the beginning is sound, and the middle or the endings is tainted.
This doesn't make sense to me.

I posted links above which prove the extents to which media fakery is incorporated
into modern news telling. But these facts don't enter into your considerations, where
as they are ingrained now into mine.
People will do pretty much anything for money and there are more people directly
employed by the government now than ever before. They is no shortage of potential
willing 'role-players' I take it.
And I am sure we can agree just how corrupt that government has become (or maybe not).

If they faked the story, they would fake/stage all associated elements of the story.
In this day and age, and with the story receiving so much national attention, 2 or 3
dodgy photographs is extremely suspicious and I have seen nothing concrete yet that
proves that this man in fact exists.

You say you are 99.999999999% certain that he exists.
I say your wisdom is completely consumed in confidence.

I bet you do not know of even one faked news-story, whereas I am aware of dozens.
That's got to enter into the equation when considering issues like this.

But thanks for replying.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 02:32 AM by pshea38
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