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Obama White House pays women less than men, records show

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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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I bet the record would also show that women get custody of their children more often, regardless of qualifications.




posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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No.

Well from your source number 1 Abrams Adam a male is making more than number 5 alley,Hilary

That was easy.

Men make more than women

OR

Averaging the first 2 males pay agianst the first 2 females the men still make more than women

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Adam Abrams is a Regional Communications Director.

Hilary Alley is an Associat Director.


Different positions...different pay.


What you have to do is compare all the same positions and show that each male is making more than every female.

Good luck...I'm sure you will come back with another false number because I don't think you comprehend how to compare salaries and/or statistics.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Your source with different pay amounts women make less than men go on make excuses Obama gets another press pass.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Your source with different pay amounts women make less than men go on make excuses Obama gets another press pass.


So now you are just dodging to continue your mis-information.

Here...I can do the same thing.

Sara Apsel makes $108,717

Jonathen Asen makes $45,000


OMG...WOMEN MAKE MORE THAN DOUBLE OF WHAT MEN MAKE.

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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Different positions...different pay.


What you said right?

Wouldn't be defending this if Bush was Potus which i know for a fact.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Different positions...different pay.


What you said right?

Wouldn't be defending this if Bush was Potus which i know for a fact.


Defending what? That people get paid different amounts for the different jobs they do?

Do you think Bush paid everyone in the White House the exact same salary



The reason no one has to "defend" Bush about this is because stupid crap like this was never brought up. This entire article is mis-information...presenting bad statistics to people they know have no idea what good or bad statistics are. All they know is that they hate Obama...so this sounds negative...so it must be true.

But when asked to prove what they believe...I guess bringing up Bush works



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Don't have to prove anything on here people are free to beleive whatever the hell they want

Thats what liberty aka liberal means.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Don't have to prove anything on here people are free to beleive whatever the hell they want

Thats what liberty aka liberal means.


The fact that you aren't even attempting to back up your claim just tells me that you know this is false propaganda...and you are fine with trying to spread it.


But hey...I guess that what ATS is supposed to be used for right...push right wing propaganda...to hell with the facts.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Yeah don't really care because i remember a certain 2 Palin threads on here authored by you.

edit forgot not to link those they were moved for a reason
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Yeah don't really care because i remember a certain 2 Palin threads on here authored by you.


Threads based off factual inforation confirmed by named sources.

But I guess you don't see the difference.


It would be so much easier if you just didn't try to push false information like this article...or admit when you are wrong when called on it.

Because now you just look silly trying to deflect and dodge the topic.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Government employees pay has increased under Obama where many make more than their civilian counterparts.


Federal employee pay had been FROZEN by Obama for the last two years. Number of federal employees DECREASED under Obama. Obama does not set the salary rate for Federal employees.

You are badly misinformed.

 


Looking over the staffer list, I see the same thing Outcast pointed out - the JOB TITLE pay is the same for woman and men. The number of women staffers has INCREASED under Obama, and the salary gap - for the SAME TITLE/POSITION is closed. Unlike previous admins, where a woman in the same position/job title WAS payed a lower salary. Compared to Bush when the income gap based on average pay only was 28%.

The number of women on the WH staff has increased to 49.9%, compared to earlier admins this is a huge increase, but most of these positions are still in the lower rank and file. The gap is still there but it IS closing. Unfortunately the highest paid positions are still men and that is surely causing the skew in percentage to reflect that woman are "paid less".

Again the REAL difference is that when compared job title to job title, the pay is the same. Generally federal employees salaries are according to a "pay grade" GS-1 through GS-15, and it takes years (obviously) to climb up in those ranks - woman are behind in that respect, since most won't have had an opportunity to enter into those higher pay grades until recently. Numerous factors can affect those pay grades including location/cost of living, and each pay grade has incremental steps (10 in all).

But the fact remains, under Obama, women on the WH staff has increased, and so has their pay, and more woman are in higher positions than before (let us not forget Obama nominated two women to the SCOTUS). But what Obama CANNOT change is how the federal pay system works, new workers cannot just jump in and get high pay grades without going through the ranks. Most new female employees will still have to work their way up.

The real war on women isn't being waged by how many WH staffers there are, but by the LEGISLATION pushed by the political parties.

Obama has passed more legislation designed to promote woman's issues and equality than Republicans. Republicans on the other hand continue to wage a 'war' on woman's rights.

Obama Issues Order to Boost Women’s Role in Security Issues
Obama sign executive order benefiting American women
White House Forum on Women and the Economy
Obama signed an Executive Order creating the White House Council on Women and Girls.

Compared to the GOP:
Wisconsin Republican Lawmaker: ‘Women Make Less Than Men Because Money Is More Important To Men’
Pat Robertson Women Are Subservient To Men In Marriage (VIDEO)
An Elderly Iowa Woman Takes On Rep Steve King Over His Planned Parenthood Attacks (VIDEO)
Female Republican Senators Undermine GOP Claim That War On Women Is ‘Fiction’
Olympia Snowe: Birth Control Controversy Is A ‘Retro-Debate’ that took place in the 1950's
And that's just from this weeks headlines... of course what set this off was denying woman access to contraception via health care insurance and Rush calling Sandra Fluke a whore.

 


The real litmus test would be a side-by-side comparison of legislation affecting women - those passed or proposed by the Democrats versus those passed or proposed by the TPM/GOP.

Then we'll see who is truly waging a war on women.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Obama did more for women in 3 years than Republicans have in the past 30 years.

He has more women in the WH staff than any earlier president, but he can't control what their salaries are.

More Faux Noise. They just want you to read the headline for a knee-jerk reaction, but they don't want you to look at the facts.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
I love the BS posts defending Obama


That rebuttal wins the MOST OFTEN USED BS award on ATS.

Whenever folks demonstrate a gradeschool understanding of math, science, history...statistics....or otherwise DEFEND RATIONAL THOUGHT...scream about them drinking "Kool-aide", being an "Obamanaut".

If they persist in the notion that 1+1 =2 ...tell them they learned that falsehood via a union run, socialist indocternation center...aka...SCHOOL.

If the 5 o'clock news has a spasm of journalistic integrity and attempts to explain the facts so the public can come to an informed opinion...call the News Liberal communists.

If a non-partisan source is provided, or even a conservative source explaining the falsehood...pretend you never read it and direct them to a blog post by a right wing idealogue on Fox news' website and title your post "Proof!!"

Any debate that begins with a lie, is not public discourse in a free democracy, it is propaganda.

Disliking President Obama is great, loudly disagreeing with his policies is great...Public disagreement is critical in a democracy.

But fabricating facts, corrupting math, science, statistics to support an idealogy, to garner support via lies, should never, ever be tolerated from any party, idealogy or group.

My fundemantal problem with the GOP is that thier strategy almost always begins with the aim of exploiting ignorance...rather than denying it.
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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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I can't believe nobody has touched on one glaring piece of crap:

The White House employs 454 people at a salary of AT LEAST $41,000. Some of them are just "assistant to" this or that sycophant. 270 of them are making at least $60k, 140 of which are being paid at least $100k!

And you're bickering over an 18% difference?

Feel free to vomit.


/TOA



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
My fundemantal problem with the GOP is that thier strategy almost always begins with the aim of exploiting ignorance...rather than denying it


To paraphrase that old kid's joke, somewhere in that room is an elephant, but it's now hidden under decades of crap like this.

Excellent ENTIRE post.
You have presented great examples of the Rovian school of politics. ...

From what I wrote in another thread:

"Attack your opponents strength, which will deflect from your weakness. "Swiftboating" your opponent. Bush's military record was not even in the same league as Kerry's, so a bogus issue was made of Kerry's strength."

"Take a minor issue with an emotional response and blow it up bigtime, using your media outlets like giant echo chambers."


Maybe we'll hear a GOP candidate repeat this thread's deception, just as Romney's recent deception re women's job loss. ...

"Another, have the candidate tell the lie, because people believe that surely Candidate A would be telling only the truth. Or if Candidate A hints at The Lie, then people would believe there's more to it, surely Candidate B must be guilty of soooo much more."



posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
It's not like Obama is the one setting the salaries.


Really, who does? Michelle????? Get real. They decide every salary of their employees.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Really, who does? Michelle????? Get real. They decide every salary of their employees.


The pay rates are set by the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, and are laid out in the General Schedule (GS) Pay Tables. Pay rates range from GS-1 to GS-15. WH aides are paid according to this table as is every other government employee.

Maybe brush up on your civics lessons before putting your ignorance on display.



posted on Apr, 15 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Thank you for Denying Ignorance


But why do I get a feeling like I'm watching a movie where the alien, monster, enemy is eradicated, yet the last three seconds of the film lead me to believe there's a sequal? ... oh, yeah...


Originally posted by neo96
Don't have to prove anything on here people are free to beleive whatever the hell they want



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