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What can Occupy do about police violence?

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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

Originally posted by tallcool1
The occupy protests just need to keep from getting out of hand and be peaceful. When you are trespassing or destroying property that is not your own or becoming violent or any of the other many illegal things the occupy movement does - you will be met with a police force determined to stop your illegal activities.

Perhaps if there was more to the movement than getting stuff for free or taking things that other people have earned, you will get more followers. After all, there are more of us who feel that you need to earn your living than there are those of you who just want it all handed to you.


I don't recall any proof that protestors initiated violence....... please provide.


I wouldn't waste your valuable time responding to this type of poster. If you look at the tone of his/her comments so far its obvious that someone is hoping to drag the conversation down the path of pro-occupy vs anti-occupy bashing. He/she is not interested in actual discourse. Your time would be much better spent dealing with people who actually matter. Every time you feel the need to reply to someone like this send your local government representative another email or update your facebook with a link to something occupy related instead. Continue to get the message out. Don't waste time and effort where it won't do any good.

This is a good thread that brings to light issues that really need to be addressed. If we allow the conversation to be dragged down the path that posters like the above hope to drag it down the bickering will only tarnish the movements image in the eyes of the more moderate supporters and fence sitters.
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Syphon
This is a good thread that brings to light issues that really need to be addressed. If we allow the conversation to be dragged down the path that posters like the above hope to drag it down the bickering will only tarnish the movements image in the eyes of the more moderate supporters and fence sitters.
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Thank you, Syphon. I would also like to avoid that type of flame war, as well.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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I'm trying to "drag the conversation down the path of pro-occupy vs anti-occupy bashing"? I'm merely pointing out that the occupy movement isn't all pure and innocent and guilt free. I guess having a different opinion makes one "not interested in actual discourse".

You are provided with evidence above showing violence on the part of the occupy protesters and you choose to ignore that and focus instead on my disagreement "tarnishing the movements image"?
But that kind of proof needs to be ignored and you need to focus instead on "people who actually matter".

Well, as long as the message - whatever the message is - gets out, I guess the violence, destruction of others property and rape doesn't matter as long as we get those darn policemen. I will leave you to agree happily with one another instead of bothering you with pesky little facts.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Despite popular belief here on ATS the police to NOT want to have violent clashes with OWS. The best way OWS can keep from having a violent confrontation with police is to simply follow lawful orders, stop damaging property, stop burning things, stop defecating and urinating in public and remain what they CLAIM to be – a PEACEFUL protest.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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To get a message out,is to have semblance on the message. Until those in the Occupy Movement can do so,There will be Violence. Its not like they are taking names,or asking for prior criminal history at the door. EVERYONE is invited.


S&F



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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You're right, the Occupy protests will always be met with police brutality, and i'm guessing a lot more different types of protests will too.

I can see people getting fed up, and giving up on peaceful protest, possibly turning violent, and I totally respect that.


OWS burning trash cans, throwing rocks and generally being miscreants is what led to the violence. You can’t possibly come on here and say that OWS was “peaceful” in the areas where violence broke out. How come OWS protests in other parts of the country weren’t met with so-called “police brutality?” OWS Dallas went over without incident.


Does this look like a peaceful protest?




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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Are you referring to peace fires, peace rocks and non-violent peaceful destruction of private property? All those OWS actions are peaceful. There have been undercover cops at OWS camps starting non-peaceful fires and throwing non-peaceful rocks but the media has a hard time telling the difference.
/owsbabble
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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i think the occupiers are going about it all wrong...they need more attractive women, dressed provocatively, to appeal to the police's masculine nature...do whatever it takes to get them on their side...the girls know where I'm going with this.

a cop's not going to hit a girl that's carrying his child...you know what I mean?

if the occupiers go to the local square or public park with a bunch of dudes expecting a physical confrontation with arguments...that's what they'll get...complete with dogs, tear gas, water cannons, noise machines and billy clubs, which will end with them at the lock up.

just something for ya'll to think about.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Knock it off already...it's tired. That was ONE incident and it was a response to the brutality of the police in Oakland the day before, it was a wrong response but as I've said over and over several protesters tried to stop them and tried to get the police to stop them, they were ignored as is custom response from the various PD's.

Come up with some original stuff already and quit being lazy. Stop posting the same damn thing over and over as it gets really tiring to have to expose your misinformation over and over. Progress the debate if debate is even truly what you want.

Yeah, I'm pissed off.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by tallcool1
Well, as long as the message - whatever the message is - gets out, I guess the violence, destruction of others property and rape doesn't matter as long as we get those darn policemen. I will leave you to agree happily with one another instead of bothering you with pesky little facts.


The problem is, tail, that other than photos like the one seabag has linked to in the thread here, when it comes to things like rape, and especially the sanitation lie, the only real support I can ever find for such assertions, is a strong, purely emotional desire on the part of conservatives to believe them.

This is one of the things that I really don't understand about some conservatives on here. Although he does seem to enjoy trolling, seabag also seems capable of genuine objectivity and honesty. A lot of the rest of you, on the other hand, seem to have an overwhelming emotional need to single-mindedly view Occupy as domestic terrorists. Media reports which depict the movement in that light, are taken as support for the decision that you've already made, rather than it being the other, and more logical way around; that you actually form your opinion of the movement on the basis of the available evidence.
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Here you can see a wave of peace destroying stuff it its path. see? Non-violent peaceful protest, why do they want to act like it's illegal?
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Knock it off already...it's tired. That was ONE incident and it was a response to the brutality of the police in Oakland the day before, it was a wrong response but as I've said over and over several protesters tried to stop them and tried to get the police to stop them, they were ignored as is custom response from the various PD's.

Come up with some original stuff already and quit being lazy. Stop posting the same damn thing over and over as it gets really tiring to have to expose your misinformation over and over. Progress the debate if debate is even truly what you want.

Yeah, I'm pissed off.


Though it is the same incident mentioned again here it’s not misinformation. All the explaining in the world can’t make it go away.

Own it, OWS! It’s your handy-work!!

I will come out with some new OWS “stuff” once they burst back onto the scene. I’m sure it won’t take them long to get back to their antics.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Fine keep trolling
U let me know when you're up for debate and I sure hope it's not as pathetic as your ask a liberal thread.
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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F ine keep trolling
U let me know when you're up for debate and I sure hope it's not as pathetic as your ask a liberal thread.


Personal attacks now??

I thought you were above that, Kali.


I was simply responding to the thread when you called me out (again). The pressure of having to tow the line for OWS as they continue to make zero progress must be getting to you.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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F ine keep trolling
U let me know when you're up for debate and I sure hope it's not as pathetic as your ask a liberal thread.
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Kali, the problem is that for some unknown reason, the conservatives have already decided that they want to view Occupy as domestic terrorists; so if there is even limited affiliation with black bloc anarchists or any other radical group, as I said in the OP, they will immediately pounce on that, and they won't let it go.

I am well aware that the black bloc do not run every single Occupy event that occurs. They probably aren't present at 90% of them. If they are even present at one, however, then conservatives will apparently make generalisations about Occupy being a front group for violent anarchists.

The only way to avoid that is to completely disown radical Leftist groups, such as the ones I named in my OP. Greenpeace, MoveOn, the Socialist Alliance. They all have to go.
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posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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More like the frustrating disappointment of losing respect for someone. And I shouldn't have attacked, for that I apologize.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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The only way to avoid that is to completely disown radical Leftist groups, such as the ones I named in my OP. Greenpeace, MoveOn, the Socialist Alliance...all of the Marxist groups. They all have to go.


You are exactly right and I’ve been saying that from the beginning. I actually liked OWS for a minute until I found out the ties they have. It only takes one turd in the pool to make everyone get out!


Drop the radicals then you’ll have REAL support!



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
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F ine keep trolling
U let me know when you're up for debate and I sure hope it's not as pathetic as your ask a liberal thread.


Personal attacks now??

I thought you were above that, Kali.


I was simply responding to the thread when you called me out (again). The pressure of having to tow the line for OWS as they continue to make zero progress must be getting to you.



You do troll, seabag. I can understand Kali finding that antagonistic. You're not as bad as DavidWillits, who only really seems to come into these threads in order to attempt to offend people; but there is evidence to suggest that you do see people who think differently as the enemy.

That isn't going to help you, or us.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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