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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 03:14 AM by Cosmic911
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Yes, I also believe Obama will be elected for another term. TPTB have decided to keep him for another term. Probably the fact that in only 4 short years, the POTUS learned new ways to keep the American public on its knees!


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 06:26 AM by guavas
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I agree...instead of comparing ourselves to how awful we aren't to other countries, why don't we focus on making America better than itself and use THIS nation as the measuring stick? What, so the bar is now just to be a little bit better than lousy neighbors? What the hell kind of standard is that?

I'm constantly reminded, as you pointed out, that things seem to always be able to be worse...but no one ever flips that same coin. As a nation we should always be striving for excellence in everything we do...not just settling on the tired arguments of how much better off we are relative to others, and how you could be worse off if you lived in country X.

That's not the point.

That is not what America is about, in my honest opinion. We should always be striving to be better tomorrow than we were today.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 06:47 AM by Myendica
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i get that there are "worse" places in the world. But where exactly are these places? Most are war stricken, and probably by our wars. Others are impoverished by the greedy corporations that we complain about. It would seem that "material" items is peoples definition of "better" place. The U.S. Is weak in education, weak in healthcare. The u.s. Falls way behind in time with family. There may be worse places to be, but those people have either been screwed by us, or are fighting for their freedoms. Hmm...


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 07:13 AM by dreamstalker
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The problem with their last 4 years is they really don't care what happens as they now have the opportunity to make sure they are set up for the rest of their days financially. as they realize their day has come, under the guise of the lecture circut they get their Payola for their favours they have generated at the expense of the american people,


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 09:45 AM by Cancerwarrior
Originally posted by Screwed
"The People" for the most part, do not want him running our country.
We as Americans, deserve what we are getting and are going to get.

We have proven ourselves unready to handle our freedom and liberty.
It sucks that those of us who ARE ready, have to be drug around by those who aren't but hey,
that's the way democracy works.

This is the most bizarre thing I have ever witnessed.
I can't wrap my head around how people can actually embrace their own slavery and turn a blind eye to all that is going on in this country but,.......They can and they ARE!
I can't wrap my head around the fact that on a website where denying ignorance is the motto there is still no shortage of people who defend the system at ALL COSTS and will stop at NOTHING to make sure you know that it is WORSE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!

As long as it is worse somewhere else these people are able to keep their heads firmly planted in the ground.
I don't get it.
I never will
It is so foriegn to my way of thinking and being that I can't even begin to understand it.

We are all at different levels of understanding and willingness to alter our worldviews on a moments notice based on new incoming information. Some people are just NOT comfortable living in a world where there is rampant corruption and most of our congress,senate,judicial,and President himself are bought and paid for. THis is rather unsettling for anyone but for some, it is downright unbearable. These are the people I see everyday. These are the people who surround us. These are the people in the threads who just don't get it.

And, until they are willing to see the demons that are facing them there is little hope of actually dealing with them.
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Could'nt have said it better myself.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 11:24 AM by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by imawlinn
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Please post your links to back your claims??
Thanks


Google.com and then go read his books or listen to his speeches.


Thanks.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 11:32 AM by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by mayabong
Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Originally posted by imawlinn
The only one who repeatedly fights for everyone's rights.


Everyone except the gay community, AIDS victims, and women.



Seems you posted lots of threads in support of Dr. Paul in the past. Did you turn gay, an aids victim or into a woman since then?


I supported Paul for a while. Did a lot of work to promote him and even try to convince others he's the only hope we may have to progress as a nation.

But as time went on, he seemed to get a bit crazier in his ideas. Wiping out whole federal government departments to save money? Are you serious?

He's spot on about bringing our troops home, ending the very expensive drug war, and decreasing our dependence on government handouts. And even though State rights are important, there needs to be federal protection of Women's Rights and Gay Rights (same sex marriage). Paul is against both of those ideas (but I understand where he's coming from, I just disagree with him strongly).

I also disagree with his foreign policy when it comes to ending aid to countries suffering from severe natural disasters or ending AIDS research overseas. Also disagree with his comments about AIDS victims being victims of their own lifestyles. Yep. Being born with a virus is your own fault. Nice one, Doctor.

Paul makes a lot of valid points that you have to agree with as they do make sense and seem like the only logical solutions to our country's current status. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he's perfect or a saint. He's full of flaws and horrible policies. He doesn't represent me or the common man/woman.

I know this site is full of Paul supporters (even though the government is big bad and evil, right?) and they'll come out of the woodwork to dismantle this post and tear me apart, but that's ok. I've accepted the fact they love to troll every bit of the internet, even on non political YouTube videos.

"Oh sweet, a Nelly video. What's the first comment?"

"RON PAUL 2012 WOOO!"

-____-


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 03:26 PM by guavas
reply to post by Myendica



Don't get mad at me, I was just agreeing with Screwed up there lol.

And I'm agreeing with you: I think that the argument (about so long as America is better than someone else) is disingenuous. America is supposed to show the rest of the world how awesome freedom and liberty are. An example of sorts...and we should continue having high standards for ourselves as a nation, not continuously lowering the bar...that's my opinion anyway.

And you're right...corruption is arguably the worst problem we're facing, and it's unfortunate that Capitalism is most susceptible to it. But I don't think each and every single politician went into politics so they could be corrupt. There's plenty who went into politics to "be that one who changes things for the better," as Ron Paul clearly demonstrates.

The problem I think is that the wind gets sucked out of their sails when they finally get to positions where they can enact change because of the status quo. Some continue to fight (like Paul), while others say, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
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