Originally posted by Inductance
I have to disagree with MagnumOpus. I am a Traditional Catholic and I don't feel ignorant. The Church does not try to stifle or persuade me to not
be a Physicist/Engineer. The Church does not try to persuade me from being involved in politics, as I am. The Church does not limit my creativity or
clarity of thought.
This is a long commentary, mostly about your conservation methods and environmental stewardship. All that is really good, but I don't recall seeing
that in tradiational Catholic Church.
So, lets do a little exploration. Churches tends to be a catch all phrase. So, using this as a starting point, some churches tell that god decided
to distroy New Orleans with the Katrina Hurricane because the city had become so evil. Did god really decice to teach New Orleans a lesson for its
Now, let do a time and location shift to the area of Soddom and Gomorrah, where it is also told that god distroyed these cities because they became so
wicked that they offended the Lord. Did the Lord or god really decide to kill off those cities and put them under a Lake of Fire?
This gets into what are the central concepts presented as god in the Bible's Narratives, which I think the tradiational Catholics endorse as the true
words of god.
I am an engineer type also and do my own cars, have alternative energy systems and such-----and run on logic and critical thinking.
When I look at Soddom and Gomorrah, I do see the area was distroyed and it stemmed from the East African Rift Zone effects that basically formed the
Dead Sea Basin due to a huge tectonic plate problem there. I also see the issues of asphalt coming up from the bottom of the Dead Sea that forms
from the proximity of the oil deposits of that region in combination with the heat of this volcanic associated fault area.
When one sees results and association to this type effect one expects that volatile surfur will be driven from the rocks below to be condensed higher
up in the fault zone, and not just that but things like hydrogen sulfide and hydrogen fluoride from the heated systems below. Exposures to hydrogen
fluoride causes afrodesiac effects in persons exposed to tiny amounts and it also causes health effects with long term low level exposures.
It is known this that this East Africa Rift zone is volcanically active from time to time and it is plausible that this activity could well have been
both the reason why the peoples of this area were affected by chemical toxins in the air, water, and food chain. It could be just as plausible that
this fault became much more active and started to spill out hot basalt flows that set the sulfur deposits on fire causing the hell fire and brimstone
effects and also the Lake of Fire issues. The fault zone could have also released a bubble of oil from down below, that floats upon the water. It
is also spoken that most of these cities sank beneath the Dead Sea, and that speaks to the fault zone's being extremely active and causing
So, since good Catholics subscribe to the Bible being the words of god, is it correct to allow people to believe that there is a god that took an
active role in the distruction of Soddom and Gomorrah, or was it the luck of the draw for these people that picked a bad place to settle, like the
people of Pompey? Or is it more proper to explain all these actions as the workings of Mother Nature and there not being an real associations of god
setting off to distroy these two cities because they became so demented of morals.
How come god didn't distroy Pompey? Or is it just the embellishment of the story telling?
Have you and the Catholic Church clarifed this is nothing more special than Mother Nature's ways that produced the perverse sexual issues there, as
well as worsened to cause the cities destruction by fire and brimstone and even a Lake of Fire? Have you and the church provided the deeper
insights to correct everyone's thinking?
Then, is it correct for religionist to tell that New Orleans was distroyed by god for being evil due to the many chemical and oil refinery pollutants
there that take their toll on person's health. Is it proper to pass off New Orleans as a new Biblical Flood to punish evil?
Was it any more proper for the people writing the Biblical Narratives to pass off that Soddom and Gomorrah was distroyed by Fire because god hated
them also? Or is the truth that the these people's health and sexual drives were affected by the chemical factors associated with the faults
chemical and petroleum issues on health, and these problems worsened to become the more massive issues of Sulfur fires and Oil and Asphalt releases to
the surface of the Dead Sea.
Is it in any way proper to allow religion to present this as an active attack by god to punish these people, or is it more proper to tell these people
were just affected by seriously bad choice of a place to live along a very active Rift Zone that intersects oil deposits deep underground?
There are many more of these type examples in the Bible's Narratives that are played up as god did this and that, but the simple reality is these were
all issues of Mother Natures well know effects today, and hardly considered god setting off to punish someone or active cooperation with man. When
Earth Sciences meet these embellished religion stories, one doesn't seem to find god actively out to distroy wicket humans.
Have you been honest with yourself in flushing out these Earth Sciences issues and asking the church to stop embellishing the story into god killed
these people without explaining the extended issues of the Rift Zone and Oil deposit effects?
Depending upon your answer, this type issue of embellishing simple nature's effects into god did this and that might be the issue of the ignorance to
which I speak of the organized churches being out of control.
I forgot to tell you, I also study Earth Sciences, Geology of the Middle East, and its minerology. Do you?
Have you been honest in exposing these issues and tell us where and how, and if your church has done so?
edit on 11-4-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Simple Logic of Mother Nature, not the active intentions of god to distroy man---fear mongering