“If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.”, page 2

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reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 10:44 PM by kdog1982

Food for thought,ST.
Thanks for that great post.

I would say I have done nothing wrong,but I could say I got to close to the truth.

Is it a crime?
Depends on how close to the truth you come.
They will make up something,they will find you.

The internet just makes it easier and it records everything.

The best thing to do is totally drop off the grid.

It all is like this show,if you have ever seen it.
It's called Person of Interest.

www.cbs.com...

reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 10:45 PM by Jean Paul Zodeaux

reply to post by silent thunder

It does not even look good on paper to argue that "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" and this thought is antithetical to the very Constitution for the United States that has allowed for government in the U.S. to begin with. That Constitution is a profound indictment on government. It is not a profound indictment on We the People, but an undeniable indictment on government. The restraints placed upon government are there, not because we "have nothing to worry about" but precisely because we have plenty to worry about.

We cannot loan our political power to government officials and assume they can be trusted with the power we loaned them. No bank is going loan someone money and then just sit back and decide they have nothing to worry about and they are going to put in all sorts of controls to minimize the risk of losing their investment.

Yes we do have plenty to worry about, and we have always had plenty to worry about.

reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 10:53 PM by Jameela

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“Since mankind's dawn, a handful of oppressors have accepted the responsibility over our lives that we should have accepted for ourselves. By doing so, they took our power. By doing nothing, we gave it away. We've seen where their way leads, through camps and wars, towards the slaughterhouse.”

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reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 10:53 PM by kdog1982

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It could be worse.
We could be living in Africa in a Savannah worried about predators hunting us down.

What are your thoughts on LaRouche?
larouchepac.com...

reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 11:10 PM by cavtrooper7

It really depends on the current popularity contest that's being played.These socialists are really over the top though.I am a cold war vet I've seen how these regimes destroy the back bone of a culture for control of it's minds by control,like the Maoists did.Too bad the chinese weren't all armed .How much of a great culture is now gone because of political control? Yes My way is one of indoctrination as well but aside from the prejudice and close minded elitism,I think John Wayne is a far better role model that almost any examples I see today.
And of course they still can't circumvent a gun in citizen hands,I don't give a da#n what others think, these are what they fear most.Which is they are so unpopular as well.But rest assured they have every electronic asset covered and know every word emitted by us all.
And before you comment on the govt's power.They are nothing without the military,which loves it's citizens,not the current regime, that disrespects warriors by hugging medal of honor winners.

reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 11:22 PM by JBA2848

I got that reply the other day on this thread.www.abovetopsecret.com...
“If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.”
Well they can watch you in your house any where you have a tv and they plan on keeping it in storage for five years in case you ever do anything wrong so they have a record to look back on.

reply posted on 10-4-2012 @ 11:29 PM by Partygirl

Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
One of things I think is most ironic about the people that usually utter that ignorant statement; “if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about” is that they are usually[...]christian, and usually believe in revelation and that one day some kind of antichrist figure will rise up and start oppressing christians.

I believe all that, and I agree with the OP 100%.

Which in itself is one of the most wild things about it to me, they seem like they should be the first ones speaking out against such systems rather then supporting them. Seems like such an ideological disconnect.

Agreed. Which is why I'm going to add my voice to the thread!

And no I don't think all Christians believe in that statement or all that utter it are christian, just saying most of the people I have heard use that argument are usually republican Christians.

Fair enough. And usually the people with the most narrow minds who want to oppress us and take away our freedoms have a bee in their bonnets about Christianity and want to crush it, among other things.

But this isn't the thread for this so, yeah, I guess I'll leave it at that and just say I think the OP is right about all this and its an important issue.

Partygirl,

Possibly the only person in the world under age 25 without a Facebook account.

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reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 12:21 AM by samiant

Folks I'm in mississippi and yes even a land owner(HOME) such as my self was arrest last week for asking a sheriff's deputy to show me the warrant he had to search my property and land. He stated, "ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IS THAT I HAVE ONE NOT TO SEE IT" duh we is educated mostly down here are /or have they lost it(the law that is). Also went to a lawyers office to talk to them about and also called a number of them. They all said the same thing , "You cannot sue them". Talked to a retired mississippi state trooper(who I go to church with and have sunday school class with) and he said, "You can sue anybody, You just didn't talk to the right lawyer go outside of forrest county and take it to the surpreme court."

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 01:31 AM by CosmicEgg

When government works in direct opposition to the safety and well-being of its citizenry, you are in trouble. Consider this along with previously posted viewpoints and see what you come up with.

As stated in the article, the laws have become so complex and open to broad interpretation that even those charged with making the tough calls see the dangers:

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in a separate opinion, worried about "the extraordinary authority Congress, perhaps unwittingly, has conferred on prosecutors to manufacture crimes" out of false statements.

There is something profoundly and fundamentally wrong with the USA. This isn't something that should be done gradually or after "due consideration". The laws need to be clear and easily understood by all. Currently, there is simply no way - short of being a legal professional - to know all your rights and responsibilities. If we were really to do so, along with all the other responsibilities and liabilities we face daily in our lives, there would simply be no time to live! Enough is too much now.

It truly makes me wonder why people keep immigrating to that place. Do they just not see it?

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 01:40 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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Currently, there is simply no way - short of being a legal professional - to know all your rights and responsibilities.

This is just not true. No one needs a legal professional to know their rights. They do need a brain, more and more they need a heart, and most certainly, given the atrocities of government, they need courage, but they do not need a legal professional to know their rights and "responsibilities". Indeed, one might determine "1001" is great news and any individual might take advantage of this statute when confronted with the willful liars of government. Hell, many a government official would insist the same thing you just did, and if they did this to me while simultaneously violating my rights, I wouldn't hesitate to add a charge of lying against them.

You're not helping the Americans you lament by insisting there is no way to know all your rights and "responsibilities".

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 01:47 AM by CosmicEgg

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Did you read that article? Did you notice the source? This is not some bogus story meant to inflame. This is the state of affairs there.

I did not say you need a legal professional to know your rights and responsibilities. I said you need to be one to know your rights and responsibilities. There is a mindset within that profession and I for one do not possess it. I need very clear and concise language, particularly when my every action is liable to be judged by that code.

You have a very idealistic view of the US. You make me very suspicious of your intentions. Things are falling down around your ears there and you spout nothing but "educate yourself and you'll be fine". That's simply not true. Or do you know the state of the justice system better than Judge Ginsburg?

Perhaps your eyes are just too blue.

Let me once again reiterate that I am one of those Americans. Please get that through your head. I am an American citizen. At least for a while still....

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reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 01:54 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux

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You have not made your case any more solid by arguing that one needs to be a legal professional in order to know their rights, and given the fact that I named the lying statute as "1001" should've been your first clue I read the article. What you are insisting on and entrenching yourself in is an advocacy of the very thing you pretend to rail against.

Rights are self evident! No one needs to go to law school to know what their rights are. It is just that simple.

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:01 AM by yurichan

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You don't have any rights anymore unless you are among TPTB or are well connected ie a Free Mason etc.

Enough said.

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:03 AM by defcon5

When I gripe to my LEO friends about the new security measures this state has enforced, and get the inevitable “why you worried, you've got nothing to hide”. My new response back to them is, “can you guarantee that this government is always going to be benevolent?” I've even gone so far as to bet them about this, and of course none of them are ever willing to take me up on it.

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:12 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by yurichan
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

You don't have any rights anymore unless you are among TPTB or are well connected ie a Free Mason etc.

Enough said.

Speak for yourself. If you want to surrender your rights, this is your business, but you certainly have no right to surrender my rights, nor any other persons rights. Indeed, if you think your "Enough said" remark has any validity, why not go and trample over another persons rights, particularly one of the many members in this site who know full well what their rights are, and discover just how misguided you are. Any number of members in this site, upon facing their rights being violated by some smug person who thinks it prudent to claim they don't have rights, will not hesitate to seek justice, many of them by filing a verified complaint, and taking you to trial to be convicted of the crimes you committed...or, you could be more prudent and simply avoid violating those rights even if you suspect they don't have them.

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:18 AM by zatara

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
You've covered all the salient points, so there's not much to say except that I agree with you.

I was a kid in the '50s (I can remember looking forward to new episodes of "Leave it to Beaver," for crying out loud!). The question of one's right to privacy hardly even existed then. By which I mean that no one questioned another's wish to be left alone. If someone were a known "hermit," they were left to their own business unviolated. Now the government pokes their nose into every aspect of our existence; the concept of "reasonable expectation of privacy" is as dead as Eisenhower.

We can resist--those of us who care to. But I see fewer and fewer who even care to; particularly the young generations. They may live to regret their indescreet tweets and their Facebook faux pas. But it'll be too late....

Someone will become a person of interest if they know little about that person or can not find much data on that person.

An other matter to ponder is the motive for all this security. If someone has evil in mind he will not use electronic high-ways to plot his sceme and will avoid all measures made for his detection. Probably the government(s) invest millions of dollars/ euro's for detecting fools....?

911 can be a good argument for this reasoning...

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:20 AM by xenongod

The school bus camera has already gave my kid the "bully" title, including two suspensions from using the bus. I've seen the videos myself and swore to keeping it classified, but my child was the best behaved and singled out from all of the other debauchery that was going on. We are already feeling the outside world looking in, to keep us in. Peace, Xenongod

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:37 AM by dreamstalker

I suppose a lot of people are unaware of the computer they call "BERTHA" whice last time i heard it was located under the Dome Of The Rock after being moved in the 80s from san Diego, this is the Big Daddy of them all, the World Computer where All the info is kept, all the informatin sucked from every where ends up on Bertha, and every man woman and child on the planet is there, unless you were born on the bank of a river in the middle of Africa, you are there, welcome to The new Order of the World.

just in case someone thinks I am making it up , here is a link to an explanation of Big Bertha from back in the 70s

www.whale.to...

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reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:55 AM by CosmicEgg

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Rights are self-evident, are they? Tell that to the people who were sterilized for being outside of what society deemed fit for decades in the last century. How about the Tuskeegee Syphilis Study? How much justice was done by them? How about all the people whose homes are invaded by police every day. And how about the fact that now anytime you are arrested, justified or not, you are subject to a strip search, whether they suspect you of carrying anything or not? What about those rights? And how's the Patriot Act doing for you?

Your rights are no longer valid. You don't have them! You may *know* what they *should* be, but you are not allowed them unless the authorities see fit to grant them. You may get them, others may not. Or then you may not get them and you know what? There's not a thing you can do about it. Litigate to your heart's content. Take it right to the Supreme Court, but if Clarence Thomas is onboard that day, you can expect to die in shackles, mah friend, because that guy personifies what's wrong with the justice system.

reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 02:59 AM by defcon5

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“ Bertha”, also known as the “Beast of Brussels” is not real, it was a fictional computer from a book:

IT Myths: Does the 'Beast of Brussels' know everything about us?
'The Beast' is actually the invention of Christian fiction writer Joe Musser, who included it in his book Behold a Pale Horse in 1970. In the book a gigantic three-storey computer is located in the administrative headquarters of the then Common Market.

There is nothing under the Dome of the Rock other then some tunnels. The Israels have tried to dig around under the dome, searching for artifacts, and every time it starts a big brouhaha about them trying to undermine the structure of the dome.

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