Are chemtrail believers acting immorally?

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posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297
Every one of these examples, and more, have been cited; many by the same person, at various times.

Some are inherently inconsistent. They cannot ALL be correct.

jw


This never seems to matter to most adherents of this philosophy of overwhelming evil against the little man.

Appeals to logical consistency are simply used as evidence of your inability to think outside the box or think laterally and intuitively, and you are more often than not pitied because your need for verifiable evidence or a consistent and reasonable hypothesis is what is keeping you from 'Awakening' (TM).

The evil genius of it is, you're falling into the trap the controllers want you to by having those standards in the first place.

It's like they think critical thinking was invented as a tool to control people because it allows them to do the impossible in plain sight.

Except for the special awake ones who refuse to play by those square rules man.

(Yeah, I'm being facetious. But I think ridicule is a legitimate response when it's warranted, ie, after attempts to politely engage on even the most rudimentary physics or logic repeatedly end in failure)
edit on 18-4-2012 by delusion because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 18 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Welcome to ATS.

I joined a while back, when critical thinking and an inquisitiveness into the intriguing and mysterious were met not with fear and speculation, but with examination and collaboration.

I've always insisted there should be a minimum age-limit, or some sort of protection against trolls and misinformation.

As with "chemtrails," you'll find many areas of discussion to be frustrating, yet fascinating in their glimpses into just how mis-/un-informed people can be.

There are still great threads from time to time, you just have to look for them, and be able to put up with distractions from critical thought.

Good luck.

jw



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by delusion
 

Welcome to ATS.

I joined a while back, when critical thinking and an inquisitiveness into the intriguing and mysterious were met not with fear and speculation, but with examination and collaboration.

I've always insisted there should be a minimum age-limit, or some sort of protection against trolls and misinformation.

As with "chemtrails," you'll find many areas of discussion to be frustrating, yet fascinating in their glimpses into just how mis-/un-informed people can be.

There are still great threads from time to time, you just have to look for them, and be able to put up with distractions from critical thought.

Good luck.

jw


cheers...

Actually, I find the threads that display the most lack of rationality and blatant inconsistencies to be the most compelling, in that they provide such great instruction on how NOT to think if you have any interest in truth. I really learn a lot from them. Especially when I believe something initially, and then am shown how I am wrong or have been fooled. It's great.
But hopefully I will outgrow this immature fascination with humans' ability to delude themselves (me included) and makes some progress in skilful communication of the opposite of that. Whatever that might be.

I do have legitimate intellectual interests outside of watching people being idiots though, and yes, this site is a great resource for those too.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Your assinuation and basis of this thread is ridiculous.

If this is a High level military and or government and or corporate operation that is being kept secret for some reason, we have no more ability to disclose with evidence than if, as a civilian with no security clearance, infiltrate the FBI or CIA and steal some Top Secret files.

The aircraft would be launched from military bases (cannot penetrate legally).

The clouds are injected into high altitudes 30-50 thousand feet ... and remain at altitude.

Sure let me just run down to the airport borrow an aircraft capable of those altitudes and fly up and follow one of these flights. Oh yeah... by the way dont forget that all airspace is controlled above 18000 and you must fly EXACTLY where they tell you to fly or you will be breaking regulations of the FAA and criminal codes.

So you see its not that simple... acting immorally? Sir you have created one heckuva close-minded thread here.

Come discuss any and all of my Chemtrail points. I have answers for any attempt at a final debunking. Chemtrails are in fact debunkable... I challenge you to try.... Dare I say it would be immoral not to try?

New chemtrail patents list: The programs and research continues...



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Your assinuation and basis of this thread is ridiculous.

If this is a High level military and or government and or corporate operation that is being kept secret for some reason, we have no more ability to disclose with evidence than if, as a civilian with no security clearance, infiltrate the FBI or CIA and steal some Top Secret files.


Now who is being ridiculous?

Why not consider that chemtrails are supposedly being sprayed by civilian planes, all over the world, every day, and yet there is not one single piece of verifiable evidence to support their existence. not one credible whistleblower. not one "secret" paper, not one bill of lading, not one unexplained truck filling up an aircraft with an unknown substance, not one fuel sample, not one ground handler with an MSDS for whatever it is that the "chem" supposedly is.



The aircraft would be launched from military bases (cannot penetrate legally).


chemtrails are regularly and usually identified by people worldwide as coming from civilian aircraft.


The clouds are injected into high altitudes 30-50 thousand feet ... and remain at altitude.


So how are they poisoning us at ground level then??



Sure let me just run down to the airport borrow an aircraft capable of those altitudes and fly up and follow one of these flights. Oh yeah... by the way dont forget that all airspace is controlled above 18000 and you must fly EXACTLY where they tell you to fly or you will be breaking regulations of the FAA and criminal codes.


You do not have to fly "where they tell you" - you can file a flight plan for almost any destination you like, and the only directions you will get will be to avoid other traffic.

And sure you're not likely to just pop down to the airport to pick up a plane - but you could run a campaign to garner subscriptions to charter an aircraft capable of sampling air at those altitudes. $50,000 was raised to make "What in the world are they spraying" - why can't a similar amount be raised to perform this most obvious of testing????

BTW not all airspace above 18,000 feet is controlled -


(a) CLASS A AIRSPACE AREA. Generally, that airspace from 18,000 feet MSL up to and including FL 600, including the airspace overlying the waters within 12 nautical miles (NM) of the coast of the 48 contiguous States and Alaska. Unless otherwise authorized, all persons must operate their aircraft under IFR.
- FAA's designation of airspace classes

That's from 18,000 feet to FL600 - which is 60,000 feet. Above 60,000 feet the airspace is not controlled at all.


So you see its not that simple... acting immorally? Sir you have created one heckuva close-minded thread here.


This reply of yours has no convinced me of that.

If anything it has convinced me that I am completely correct - instead of doing the obvious you are only concerned with making excuses why you will not actually go and test actual chemtrails.


Come discuss any and all of my Chemtrail points. I have answers for any attempt at a final debunking. Chemtrails are in fact debunkable... I challenge you to try.... Dare I say it would be immoral not to try?

New chemtrail patents list: The programs and research continues...


lol - I've seen that thread (and replied in it now) - you are being deliberately deceitful on it, and you say it is an answer??

Yep - now you have convinced me - you are a disinfo agent, deliberately spreading false information about chemtrails, and hence immoral.

Thanks for making my point!!
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