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TPTB Preparing You To Accept The New Age Jesus, The One Who Does Away With Everything Holy

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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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The one thing he miscalculated on, was he didn't know it was going to be the creator himself coming, clothed in the flesh of a man.
Of course not, since that never happened.
Now maybe in your alternative religion you made up, he did, but in Christianity, God does not use people as "clothes".




posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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. . . I've explained what "ante" means in Greek numerous times.

So?
What you do not do is show how this (antichrist) is a person.



That's pretty obvious without explanation. Jesus even says there will be one coming who will come in his own name and the world will follow him in some demonic trance. Daniel talks about him, Ezekiel, Jeremiah...

He has over 33 titles in the OT alone for this coming man of sin.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

We do know what He DOES NOT look like. Anything with a shaven face and long hair isn't him, He fulfilled all 613 laws of the Torah.
Maybe the fictional character from the religion Lonewolf made up did.
The character in the New Testament, Jesus, who Christians believe in, did not.


If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior. You better believe He was sinless.



posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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I see, so are you disagreeing with my comment or agreeing?

In the middle someplace?

None of the above because I'm fruity?

I was disagreeing with your take on what Lonewolf meant by his comment. What he expressed was a sentiment I have heard 100s of times as I was growing up. That Satan could read the words of the Bible and come up with plans to thwart the "plan of God".

You implied that Satan used some writing skills during the post third temple(commonly called second temple) period to alter the Torah text. I gave an alternate time period much earlier. I leave open the possibility that you may be more familiar with the actual discrepancies in Massoretic text than I am.


In modern times the Dead Sea Scrolls have shown the MT to be nearly identical to some texts of the Tanakh dating from 200 BCE but different from others.
The MT was primarily copied, edited and distributed by a group of Jews known as the Masoretes between the 7th and 10th centuries CE.
wiki-Massoretic Text


I may be mistaken, but I take it as a working theory that: Many of the Pharisean rabbis already favored Torah veneration above temple ceremony as the means to life in the age to come. The loss of temple access was not as great a trauma as would otherwise be expected. (for their religion, not actual societal trauma)

So, about 2/3 disagree, 1/3 possibly agree.
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posted on Apr, 12 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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In modern times the Dead Sea Scrolls have shown the MT to be nearly identical to some texts.


Context is key here sir. I didn't say the Messoretic Text of the Tenakh was changed letter by letter, book by book. They "de-Jesused" it and altered it slightly because they no longer had a temple in which to do sacrifices at.

Modern Judaism is Talmudic, not Mosaic, because of Jamnia.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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esus even says there will be one coming who will come in his own name and the world will follow him in some demonic trance. Daniel talks about him, Ezekiel, Jeremiah...

He has over 33 titles in the OT alone for this coming man of sin.

Wait....*raises hand*....ooh ooh!

The Pope?? How many have their been?



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 



esus even says there will be one coming who will come in his own name and the world will follow him in some demonic trance. Daniel talks about him, Ezekiel, Jeremiah...

He has over 33 titles in the OT alone for this coming man of sin.

Wait....*raises hand*....ooh ooh!

The Pope?? How many have their been?


No, 33 different titles for 1 man, not 33 different men. The antichrist won't come from Western Europe. His false prophet I think will, not him himself. many people forget that the Eastern leg of the Roman Empire outlived the Western leg by 1,000 years. People like to put all 10 toes on 1 foot which should throw up red flags just on principle of human anatomy alone.



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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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The antichrist won't come from Western Europe. His false prophet I think will, not him himself.

All this stuff you are talking about is not "Christian" belief, but is only from your cult.
This is a rapture cult who believe in some person, the anti-christ, where there is no such usage of the word in the Bible.
Your cult conflates the adjective, anti-christ with a character from a pseudonymous letter purporting to be by Paul, called The Man of Sin. It is an intricate web that this theory weaves and is taken in one big gulp by people inclined to join cults which present themselves as the sole keepers of "the truth".
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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior.
Congratulations!
You have now been officially recognized as an honorary member of the Sanhedrin council which condemned Jesus to be handed over to the Romans for execution!
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posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior.
Congratulations!
You have now been officially recognized as an honorary member of the Sanhedrin council which condemned Jesus to be handed over to the Romans for execution!


Jesus said He came to fulfill. He stood up and asked if anyone could accuse Him of sin. What do you think He was referring to when He asked that? It wasn't Roman law.






posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
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We do know what He DOES NOT look like. Anything with a shaven face and long hair isn't him, He fulfilled all 613 laws of the Torah.
Maybe the fictional character from the religion Lonewolf made up did.
The character in the New Testament, Jesus, who Christians believe in, did not.


If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior. You better believe He was sinless.


You don't believe he violated the Torah?

Interesting.... are you sure?




posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Okay, you don't like the term anti-christ, I'll just call him the:


Someone-else-who-will-come-in-his-own-name-dude. (John 5:43)


Better?



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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He that commandeth the compilation of the Torah, and created the Sabbath, and the world,
is free to change the Torah, or the sabbath, or the world, or the rules,
whenever He so pleases!



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

We do know what He DOES NOT look like. Anything with a shaven face and long hair isn't him, He fulfilled all 613 laws of the Torah.
Maybe the fictional character from the religion Lonewolf made up did.
The character in the New Testament, Jesus, who Christians believe in, did not.


If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior. You better believe He was sinless.


You don't believe he violated the Torah?

Interesting.... are you sure?



The Scribes and Pharisees replaced the Law with the Talmuds, or "teachings of the elders". (Mark 7)



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by Akragon
 


He that commandeth the compilation of the Torah, and created the Sabbath, and the world,
is free to change the Torah, or the sabbath, or the world, or the rules,
whenever He so pleases!


Apparently God is unchanging... so that is incorrect according to said book...




posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

We do know what He DOES NOT look like. Anything with a shaven face and long hair isn't him, He fulfilled all 613 laws of the Torah.
Maybe the fictional character from the religion Lonewolf made up did.
The character in the New Testament, Jesus, who Christians believe in, did not.


If He violated the Torah He was a sinner and could not be your Savior. You better believe He was sinless.


You don't believe he violated the Torah?

Interesting.... are you sure?



The Scribes and Pharisees replaced the Law with the Talmuds, or "teachings of the elders". (Mark 7)



THAT... is not what i asked... is it now




posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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You're right,

HE is unchanging, since the beginning and unto the end (our beginning and end)

But our world is changing, and the rules he governs us by, can be changed,

He is sovereign and omnipotent, afterall



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Jesus said He came to fulfill. He stood up and asked if anyone could accuse Him of sin. What do you think He was referring to when He asked that? It wasn't Roman law.
The prophecy by Moses that one will come after him through whom The Lord will speak, by Him putting those words in his mouth.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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THAT... is not what i asked... is it now


Okay, no, He never violated the Law, He fulfilled it. Every yot and tittle.

He violated the Talmuds every chance He got to.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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THAT... is not what i asked... is it now


Okay, no, He never violated the Law, He fulfilled it. Every yot and tittle.

He violated the Talmuds every chance He got to.


Would you consider teaching people to violate the torah... a violation?




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