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Originally posted by LErickson
Originally posted by nightstalker78
Talk about ignorance.
You do better, demonstrate some.
He was the neighborhood watch leader.He had every right to be following someone who was in a GATED community that he did not recognize.
Talk about ignorance. He was not the neighborhood watch anything. He was a guy with a gun who was watching people. His neighbors even complained about him because they did not ask him to patrol their streets. He was not part of any neighborhood watch program and if he was, he would have had to be unarmed.
Talk about ignorance. You folks will say anything to see this guy walk.
Originally posted by nightstalker78
And I'm pretty sure the statements from the EMT's and all that are already out.I'll have to dig aroun
Originally posted by nightstalker78
Yes he was.
Originally posted by Classified Info
Originally posted by nightstalker78
Talk about ignorance.Strange old man that was a a pervert?Really?28 is old now?And you know he's a pervert how?He was the neighborhood watch leader.He had every right to be following someone who was in a GATED community that he did not recognize.
To me,at my age now, 28 years old seems very young. When I was a teenager a 28 year old (he looks older) was from a different generation and not to be completely trusted. In a teens eye I can see where one would look at Zimmerman as being an "old man". And if he was following me at night I might also consider him a pervert.
Zimmerman screwed up more than once that night.
First, he left his vehichle to persue Martin even though he was well aware that police were on their way. This is not what neighborhood watch is about. You are the eyes to help the police. You observe and report and stay the heck out of the way and let the police do their job!
Secondly, after he began pursuing Martin the dispatcher in effect told him to stand down. Zimmerman ignored it. Another big mistake. As the so called ( there is some dispute here, some have stated that he was the "self-appointed" watch leader) neighborhood watch leader he should have known that this is not S.O.P. but yet he blatantly ignored standard procedure twice.
Then he shot dead an unarmed civilian. Where I come from there is only two words for that, one of which I can not repeat on this site. He messed up.
I still would like to know why this particular neighborhood watch wasn't registered with the National Sheriffs Association. Maybe I am nitpicking but if Zimmerman would have followed their guidelines this whole thing could have been avoided.
Originally posted by nightstalker78
He looks older in the picture the media was using.He clearly lost weight and does NOT look the same in video that was released.They (the media) are also using pictures of the "kid" from when he was ten.It's called trying to sway people's opinions.Big bad man picking on a little helpless kid.That's what they were going for and that's what the public believes.
Originally posted by LErickson
Originally posted by nightstalker78
Yes he was.
OK, prove me wrong.
He did not belong to the Neighborhood Watch Organization.
He violated several of their rules.
He did not follow any of their SOP.
His neighbors did not ask for, hire, advocate for, demand, request that he be anything.
He was just a guy with a gun watching his neighborhood.
Do not bother telling me I am wrong unless you can back it up.
Originally posted by infowarrior9970
does anyone know for sure if that is really zimmerman behind that website?? could be someone looking to scam some donations
Originally posted by nightstalker78
None of that matters under Florida law.
Again,I'm not defending Zimmerman.
It's sad that Trayvon lost his life.You,like many others are assuming that Zimmerman's side of the story is wrong.Do you really believe he killed him out of cold blood?I can't imagine what it'd be like to take someone's life.Imagine the guilt and all the second guessing and all the "what if's" you'd be feeling.Some people are making it sound like he's sitting there celebrating the fact that he got away with killing someone.I highly doubt that's the case.
Originally posted by nightstalker78
Originally posted by infowarrior9970
does anyone know for sure if that is really zimmerman behind that website?? could be someone looking to scam some donations
Pretty sure his "former" lawyers said today they can vouch for the fact that it is his site.
Originally posted by LErickson
Originally posted by nightstalker78
He looks older in the picture the media was using.He clearly lost weight and does NOT look the same in video that was released.They (the media) are also using pictures of the "kid" from when he was ten.It's called trying to sway people's opinions.Big bad man picking on a little helpless kid.That's what they were going for and that's what the public believes.
So the same media that is trying to make Zimmerman look bad is also trying to make him look heavier?
Why?
BTW, did you notice what else "lost weight" in that video? Like all the cops, the car, the doorway, every object in the room?
The video has already been shown to be squeezed for no good reason. Now how do you blame the media on this?edit on 11-4-2012 by LErickson because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LErickson
Originally posted by nightstalker78
None of that matters under Florida law.
I did not say anything about Florida law. I was correcting your lie.
Again,I'm not defending Zimmerman.
But you are lying in his defense. That seems odd.
It's sad that Trayvon lost his life.You,like many others are assuming that Zimmerman's side of the story is wrong.Do you really believe he killed him out of cold blood?I can't imagine what it'd be like to take someone's life.Imagine the guilt and all the second guessing and all the "what if's" you'd be feeling.Some people are making it sound like he's sitting there celebrating the fact that he got away with killing someone.I highly doubt that's the case.
Right because it makes more sense to think this nonviolent 17 year old who went to the store to get snacks to watch a basketball game with his little brother probably wanted to get into a fight with some big dude when he was almost home.
That makes WAY MORE SENSE.
Why are you assuming Martin did anything to deserve being followed and shot?
Originally posted by nightstalker78
He looks older in the picture the media was using.
He shot the kid in self defense.
he is not going to be charged.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by nightstalker78
He looks older in the picture the media was using.
Yes the media has had a field day with this incident, but it still doesn't change the fact that the police department attempted to sweep this incident under the rug by merely taking Zimmerman at his words. In a typical murder case, the killer isn't proven innocent merely by his claims, he needs to demonstrate why he is innocent, Zimmerman didn't do this. He made claims about the incident, and that was about it. It's clearly shown in the audio tape that he was persuing Trayvon. Witnesses accounted for a confrontation, but not the events leading to that confrontation.
He shot the kid in self defense.
You claim you're not defending this guy, yet you're making assumptions again? Why don't you make your position clear here?
Zimmerman decided to persue this kid based on his own suspicions, Trayvon was unarmed. Zimmerman shot Trayvon, Trayvon died. Zimmerman claimed that it was in self defense and that Trayvon attacked him first. I presume you're just taking him for his words right? But you're not defending the guy? Just taking him for his words?
he is not going to be charged.
Well this is your position. I can tell you one thing, even if Zimmerman isn't charged, his face and his name has been planted for everybody to see. His actions will not go unnoticed and people will not forget. He has himself to blame, instead trying to play border patrol, he should have stayed put as advised by the police operator. He didn't listen, now he's learning the hard way.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
In a typical murder case, the killer isn't proven innocent merely by his claims, he needs to demonstrate why he is innocent, Zimmerman didn't do this. He made claims about the incident, and that was about it. It's clearly shown in the audio tape that he was persuing Trayvon. Witnesses accounted for a confrontation, but not the events leading to that confrontation.
Originally posted by shepseskaf
Let me reiterate a number of points to the those who lack the comprehension skills to accurately describe the known evidence of what happened the night of the killing:
1) There was no fight. That was a lie manufactured by GZ to "justify" the shooting.
2) The timeline established by the 911 call, and by Trayvon's aborted call to his girlfriend do not leave nearly enough time for events to have unfolded the way GZ portrayed them.
3) The fight scenario was completely debunked by GZ appearance in the police station video. There were no stains on his clothing; not even a smudge; and no blood. Nor were there any visible injuries.
4) His nose was not broken, nor had his head been "bashed" into the concrete. There are no injuries, or even bandages on display to indicate that such injuries occurred. His demeanor also did not fit a scenario in which he had been "fighting for his life" a scant 35 minutes earlier.
5) The coroner who examined Trayvon's body found no marks on his hands or arms to indicate that a violent struggle had taken place.
5) Again, the entire "fight" scenario is a boldfaced lie concocted by GZ in the immediate aftermath of the murder.
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To the fool who suggested that Trayvon's parents "lost track" of their son, they were frantically searching for him but the police department did not inform them of Trayvon's death, despite reportedly having his contact information. His body was kept as a "John Doe" for those three days, again despite reports that stated they knew who he was. This is official malfeasance, not a fault of Martin's parents.