The 'Nazi' Economic Miracle.

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

I see your point. I only have issue with one element you put forth... respectfully...

...Most regimes don't come to power by murdering or locking up their enemies...

I think that is almost always how regimes come into power... I suspect we are meant to think this was an exclusive trait of the Nazi and other "bad" regimes. In fact, most of the world's governments can't stand up to scrutiny in this regard. I would say "none can" but there has to be some exception out there.....

I can only think of one off the top of my head.

The Velvet Revolution

This bloodless transfer of power from the occupying Communist regime to the Czech Republic stands as perhaps the most powerful testament to the power of the citizen to effect change without resorting to violence. While demonstration and striking as a means to bring pressure to bear upon power structures is non-viable in our current situation, we still have many other avenues to explore when it comes to peaceful citizen empowerment.

Also, inflating the economy through foreign investment, and then relying on military expansionism to drive production is an unsustainable model. As I believe we are finding to be the case right here in the U.S. We've just gotten away with it for longer due to relying on internecine conflicts in undeveloped countries to fill our contracts.

Don't forget the part George Soros played in the liberation of capital.
( you know the Jew who was taking the other Jews assets while sending them off to the camps )
Soros and his masters are still using the capital they liberated through ww2 to further take over the world for the master race
when I say master race I don't mean aryans...
just like the master race now isn't who it thinks it is.

Also, don't forget the religious make up of Germany, and the fact that all the churches were paid through TAX collection..directed by data re religious affiliation collected on the census,,faith based....
render unto ceasar...

funny enough
lather rince repeat

reply to post by Maxmars


In reference to the banks at the end of World War 2 Europe lay in ruins except untouched Switzerland (happily neutral) who suddenly had huge amounts of gold stashed in their vaults.
Much of the "real war" since has been over control of that gold.

ETA - the gold looted in Europe is a drop in the bucket compared to what Japan stole from China and Southeast Asia. This is why Japanese war crimes are never discussed as it lays a trail from Marcos in the Phillipines to Japan and back to the mainland. Now you know why they made such a fuss over Marcos (our great friend and ally :lol

reply to post by Danbones


Can you expand on that George Soros point please Danbones? As far as i am aware, George Soros was born in August 1930 - if this is right then he frankly played a blinder having any role in Nazi war loot since we was 15 when the war ended!

I am now National Socialist

You mean fascist. Let's call it what it is, because one thing it was not is socialism. That being said, I have heard that Hitler was a genius in a lot of ways and had some pretty radical ideas. However he was also insane, a eugenist and a genocidal maniac.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


I think he "fit the bill" as someone obsessively passionate enough about his vision to be useful to the sponsors of war. He, along with his cult of personality inducing co-conspirators created a perfect hell-storm of atrocity ... driving the need for a global effort to extinguish the insanity.... Of course to do that many nations needed money to wage war on a regime with a head start.....

It's like a racket....

Frankly, I'm inclined to see this as the genesis of the Military Industrial Complex which to this day wields the power of fear over most nations.

Unlike some of our posters, I find nothing substantial to admire in the leaders of the Nazi movement. In fact, I more apt to insult their ghostly egos by proclaiming they were "tools" used by people who make the Nazi movement pale in comparison in terms of ability to "not care how much pain and suffering is inflicted..."

We can throw the ideology through wringer six ways to Sunday and still it will come up as an anti-social aberration of reason... (something only the likes of Hollywood and Madison Avenue could conjure up)... Not that people weren't pliant to the manipulation... as we seem to have been perennially - and probably still are.

The key remains in the financial institutions... therein lies the heart of the evil which made the lion's share of the tragedy possible.

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

Unlike some of our posters, I find nothing substantial to admire in the leaders of the Nazi movement. In fact, I more apt to insult their ghostly egos by proclaiming they were "tools" used by people who make the Nazi movement pale in comparison in terms of ability to "not care how much pain and suffering is inflicted..."

Whilst i mostly agree wholeheartedly with this, in fairness Albert Speer designed some rather lovely buildings for the 1'000 year Reich - just never got to implement the designs!

reply to post by Flavian


Well, to be fair, his creations were his creations... I think his creativity could have likely shone through regardless of which dysfunctional elite was in charge....

Regimes and "parties" use art the same way Bankers use nations.... as 'tools'

reply to post by Maxmars


Too true.

I have to admit i am actually becoming a little wary of the sudden support that seems to have sprung up for Hitler and the Nazi's. Is it not taught properly in schools anymore? Really does make me wonder what is going on to be honest.

I admit there are a few things we should be thankful to the Nazis for - ie, getting us into space (god bless those Nazi, sorry i mean NASA scientists). Most of their actions though highlight them for being the ignorant pyschopaths we always assumed.

reply to post by Flavian


It's just as wrong to completely write off Germany and the Nazi party as evil as it would be to blindly support all that Hitler did.
History needs an unbiased look at all sides of a conflict to be complete.
Unless I missed something nobody here has shown complete support for the Nazis in this thread.

For those ignorant right wing germans and supporters of racial superiority of the german people that they were the cause of tech advancement, please do reconsider the facts.

Let's take the highest achievement of mankind - rocket science. Werner von Braun had been touted as the father of rocket science tech. Nothing can be further from the truth. It was the american Robert Goddard that was the true father of rocket science.

During the 20s, rocket science was much touted and many scholars shared information for the progress of mankind's scientific evolution. Space trave and rocket societies were formed by them for such advancement, and many hailed Goddard as the pioneer, through his intelligence and perseverance.

He was from the middle class, worked his way up, received no funding and rosed upon his own merits. He was a natural genius, a human that could only had evolved from the benefits of an equal and peaceful society america is, where no stone is left unturned in the quest for knowledge, and free to do so without ego, fear or favor.

He shared much of what he experimented and Braun was the beneficiary of that american free charity. Von Braun was a son of the nobility, and thus he had no concerns of the working class. He could expand time and effort, living off serfs for his experiments and research. He was no more than a 'nurtured' talent, copying from others' original ideas, and then improving upon it due to opportunities.

Better yet, when he vowed allegience to the Nazis, he had access to enormous stolen fundings and unethical resources such as human slave labour for his research, and progressed far faster than Goddard, who was governed by an ethical sacred constitution that treated all man as equals. If Goddard had Braun's resource during the 40s, USA would have landed on the moon by the late 40s.

Another example would be aircrafts. Such tech could have only happened in a free society such as USA, where one is free to question, to ponder and to experiment, unlike closed societies. It was the american Wright brothers that created history, but the Japs took over by improving upon it to turn out the deadly Mitshibushi Zero fighter planes awed by the world.

Point is - Much of supposed so called ' German or Jap tech] advancement came from American originality. WIthout a free USA, those authoritarian nations would still be using horses as transport today.

Look at China and you will see the truth of such claims, nothing egoistical or nationalistic, just plain truths. Had the repressive Chinese CCP science dept developed anything worthy and original? Everything they had, had either been foolishly given freely by greedy corporations out for a fast buck using chinese slave labour, or stolen.

The mistake made by americans is that they are complacent. With success, they stopped, to bask and glow in its glory, but unfortunately, other nations whom are hungry and lacking true and creative talent, are more than ready to steal those originality to, improve upon it, and benefit economically from it. May USA learn.

As for the supposed ' Nazi miracle', or 'german superiority', it is nothing more than a joke for those in the know. Fortunately, today's majority of germans arent as ignorant as the right wing minority that hailed the devil Hitler and his goons as wonderboys, whom are nothing more than crooks, unethical and inhumane monsters in the world of science, economy, tech and research.

Today's german are hardworking, industrious and will progress far. But for natural talent to be developed, they need to be question authoritarianism more, if not, chosing authoritarianism as a social stability factor, they will lag far behind in evolution, and even become irrelevant one day. Originality that leaves none behind will progress and evolve mankind.

reply to post by Flavian

George Soros Interview On 60 Minutes

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

from the transcript:

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.

KROFT: No feeling of guilt?

Mr. SOROS: No.

sweetness-light.com...

as far as questioning totalitarian authority
Obama has authorized things the Germans were hung for in Nuremberg

Hard one to be unbiased about as my father spent the better part of his youth fighting the Nazis in a tank from Tunisia to Holland. Yet as he spoke of great admiration for Rommel, his views on Hitler and Nazis in general were extremely unfavorable to say the least. I think Hitler was a very charismatic, ornate speaker and others saw the opportunity to exploit those qualities. He was narcissistic, hateful and vengeful so his personality fit the agenda of others political ambitions. The large corporations in Germany like I.G. Farben and Siemens had backed him financially and Albert Spier was his economic wizard. Fascism was the alternative to stem the Jewish / Communist tide infecting the collective European body at the time. Spain was the rehearsal and WW2 was the main show. The only winners being the financial, industrial and military complexes as usual.

My father was one of the soldiers that hepled give Canadians the world famous reputation for class that even Hitler acknowledged
after his first battle with the Germans, his comment was to wonder why
Germas had better more modern FORD TRUCKS then the Allies did...

thats yer rothschilde bankers for ya

reply to post by Danbones


Have you seen the movie Passchendaele? Terrible movie but the battle scenes are the best,



Also WW1 but its one to get the Canadian pride flowing.

Sorry if thats off topic OP.

Sorry if thats off topic OP.

reply to post by Germanicus


No problem. I like the battle scenes in that one too

Well, why isn't Germany still a Socialist country if that economic mindset is indeed a miracle.

It worked in the 30's for Hitler because there was no other choice. Make the Germans dependent on their gov't and in turn, they will eventually become fiercly loyal. The German people were desparately poor. They will not question the rounding up of strangers and gassing them. They will not question the invading of sovereign nations. They will only know that their gov't is their provider and its their duty to obey it.

I don't want Barry Obama or George W BUsh or Mitt ROmney or any of them making me dependent on my country for liberty. My liberty belongs to me.

Anyone who says that Hitler never did anything good at all is blinded by the overwhelming results of all the bad that he did.

My understanding is that he designed the Olympic games logo and came up with the idea for the Volkswagon Beetle. Nothing wrong with that.

He definitely helped with the economic recovery of Germany, but the process was already well under way by the time he came to power. As dictator of Germany he was able to make full use of the sort of focused efforts only possible in a command economy and to make great strides by doing so.

Unfortunately he designed the country in the pattern of a war machine.

Then he fumbled the ball badly by vectoring Germany into WW2.

Despite some 41 attempts to assassinate him, his fellow Germans, including some of the nation's most illustrious and senior Army officers, were not able to remove the maniac from office in time to save the country from catastrophe.

Fortunately the Allies weren''t as nasty after this victory and helped Germany to get back on its feet. The country is going great now and is absolutely nothing like the militaristic, agrarian, isolationist, slaveholding state that the Fuhrer envisaged.

It's a horrible thing to say, but in some ways I think that modern man was going to get its Hitler some where or another some time or another anyway. Hitler is what precipitates out of certain political and economic conditions in the modern world.

Well, we've had our Hitler. We know what a Hilter costs and what a Hitler brings. We really don't have to go through it again and we really should not go through it again. It isn't necessary.

However, as long as the elites keep the general population nice and stupid another Hitler is a definite possibility.

reply to post by Germanicus


the "nazi economic miracle"... Yeah, some miracle... By the time the "miracle" had run its course, how many millions in Europe were dead? Or wishing they'd died, rather than their loved ones?

"miracle"? I think you actually meant nightmare.