The 'Nazi' Economic Miracle.

reply to post by Germanicus


The reparations Germany was forced to pay did not come from nowhere.

Germany attempted to bolster its wealth and power by taking that which it did not own.

It caused the opposition from several countries and Germany was crushed by the military superiority of that opposition.

The victor countries demanded reparation to pay for their losses in defending their territory.

Germany was NOT the poor little oppressed country in all this. The sweep of history was larger than the little window of time you mention.

reply to post by Germanicus

I get what you are saying but no matter who was backing him Hitler still had to earn the respect and faith of the backers.

Hitler was no mindless puppet.

I am inclined to disagree.

I refer to the culprit as "the banks;" by which I mean the financial institutions who have successfully forged a world where their "model" of economy is sacrosanct.... but that is another story.

Let us presume that in order to execute the grand scheme he envisioned, Hitler must have access to great wealth. There is no way to account for the massive amounts of wealth without recognizing the need for banking transactions.... by the 20th century, the major banking concerns were tied together in a transnational web which took full advantage of the recent advances in communications technology. They used that advantage well.

The most singular common element of all war is wealth-taking. (It is particularly lucrative if you 'channel' that wealth as you see fit.) Not only have the banks been central to warfare since the dawn of banking, but the traditional 'family' banking empires had become economic royalty.

These families and their associates had 'purchased' their way into positions no sane person would ever cede to them.

I find it highly likely that Hitler, this smart "vagabond," and his passionate obsessions were the perfect vehicle to once again, take the wealth from nations. All it took was a theatrical production... the kind we still see in use today. I find it evidenced in the a most popular false flag attack which I am sure I needn't recount.

The entire execution of the 'distraction' was heinously monstrous. And the victors weren't the Allies.... the victors were those who made billions... the banks. This, at a time where such a number was considered unimaginable... never mind in money.

Perhaps to many it seems unreasonably evil to contrive a situation where masses of people are slaughtered just to increase one's own wealth and power. Perhaps they believe no bankers, no matter the level, could be so inhuman... so detached... so corporate.

I propose they are just as capable of institutional sociopathy as Hitler, or Himmler, Goebels, or Mengele.

In fact they would have to be, in order to have eagerly sought to prop up the Hilter regime. And that, they did.

I think it was a doomed experiment... one where the only winners were the bankers.... as usual. And I cannot convince myself that the financial institutions didn't know that. In fact, they may even have been so presumptuous as to have planned it that way.

Perhaps Hitler realized this towards the end. I suppose I won't ever know.

Means - Bankers.... Motive... Banking .... Opportunity... The Bank.

Then and now, the financial community own most everything of value, has a hand in most everything, is needed by most everyone, and fairly well control all wealth...... it's no wonder the story about WWII is centered around anything BUT the banks.... the circle of true "owners" is virtually hermetically sealed... those responsible could not begin to account for the long list of human tragedies they financed... thus far.

The German economic machine is no more or less resilient than any other. Economies are illusory controls based upon fiat mathematics... it is a contrivance of convenience. It is for the financial cartel...

reply to post by Lord Jules


I know it is an important factor... that Hitler was popularly supported by his people.

But then, in those days people had never had the experience of mass manipulation by media, they may have loved him because they were told everyone loved him.

One can never say for sure what tools were used to gain popular support. But I promise you, German citizens were not stupid machines. They were people just like you and me.

I don't find it hard to believe that Hilter's popularity may have been as much a media production as any politician today.... in fact, I'd wager on it.


Still, I do not feel Hitler was a puppet... I just think he was "used." Much like ALL our political leaders it might seem today....

reply to post by Maxmars

Perhaps Hitler realized this towards the end. I suppose I won't ever know.

I would go as far as to say all along. And to me it seems like the bankers putting a bet each way more than orchastrating. But Im not closed to the idea at all.

And yeah,bankers were and are far more evil than Hitler ever was

Originally posted by chr0naut
reply to post by Germanicus

 

The reparations Germany was forced to pay did not come from nowhere.

Germany attempted to bolster its wealth and power by taking that which it did not own.

It caused the opposition from several countries and Germany was crushed by the military superiority of that opposition.

The victor countries demanded reparation to pay for their losses in defending their territory.

Germany was NOT the poor little oppressed country in all this. The sweep of history was larger than the little window of time you mention.

What? I thought it all started with Franz Ferdinand. Im not sure you even have a window. More like a confused blink. And Austria and Hungary asked for Germany to help them if they needed help. The whole thing seems pretty complicated. I dont think its as simple as mean old Germany deciding to invade its nieghbours.

whats funny (sic)
the same bankers funded Churchill and Stalin and Hitler
and Ike

Originally posted by Danbones
whats funny (sic)
the same bankers funded Churchill and Stalin and Hitler
and Ike

Yeah... it's hard to believe we could be so blind as to fall for it repeatedly. But somehow, it appears that the atrocity d'jour keeps us looking in the direction of the political or celebrity leaders involved in the execution... as if they could dream up the horror and say to their friends "Hey! Let's go commit genocide!" And they all pony up the money on a whim."

I wonder about the scenario where they 'collect' people and join them together and groom them for their sickness and then set them to "go." Then it's all cash and blood... we get the blood ... they get the cash...

Can't be, right?

They "enable" our leaders to get us killed.... not them... just "us."

"It's a club... and we ain't in it!" ... Carlin (RIP).

The ONLY way to win is not to play the game

darn, George 's perspective is sadly missed...
as much as most missed the point he was trying to make

I hope this isn't off topic but it describes the same situation that fostered the German financial miracle.
nothing has changed
Nothing has changed because if people focus on being good little obedient workers then they don't bitch about the heading of the ship of state.
Then on top of the money SOROS scored from the rausted Jews and Germans and everyone else they rausted
and gave to the Rothschilds the bankers also got to finger all that war repreations loot too
which of course requires a healthy economy to produce.

the old soldiers all tell me they joined the army in ww2 because there was no other work.
and as we have just seen the insurance companies and the government collect death benefits insurance from the fallen
so this quarentees there will be fallen

Am I the only one that studied and realized how Germany became a power house of economy in the 30's?


He was mobilizing for war...

Hitler, had his mind made up long ago, during the times he preached in German, taverns...

Only reason Hitler was time's man of the year,
and got praise for turning his economy around was because he hired his citizens to build weapons of war!!!


His whole effort was to reflect on World war 2...

He spit in the face of the Versailles treaties many times...

In essence that is what helped him create a war machine...



nothing glorious about that...

I dont admire him, well maybe his bravery...

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
OP, you gotta be kidding me? Nazi economics a miracle to be hailed today? Guess you had been had by the devil, to be believe in that thrash.

The true economic miracle was that undertaken by Hindenburg during the 20s. Much of foreign investments poured into Germany under him, and with honest humans around the world trying to find solutions to war repriations by germany, it manage to produce and sold products, created employment. It was golden age for the hardworking Germans after the lies and war by the monarch Kaiser.

Unfortunately Financial Depression struck Europe by the 30s. Much of capital fled, and many were out of work worldwide. Germans went hungry, and that's how the Nazi's managed to worm their way into power, by selling out to the devil.

Jews and foreign investors, from the rich to the poor, were robbed of their wealth and savings in Germany to pay for cheap imports of food and materials to the axis powers, including fellow devil Stalin's USSR. Much of production was focussed on producing war materials - bullets, bombs, ships, tanks, aircrafts, etc and thus germans were fully employed.

The gravy train ended by 7 years time. But the devil Hitler had planned and prepared. Robbing of fellow european neigbours' resources through outright war ensured the gravy continued, to pay for materials and a million soldiers employed. The Nazis were the master of fractional banking, which the Feds copied from. Useless paper as monetary value.

Do your research, seek for the truth, and do not attempt to whitewash or re-write history, or we will only be doomed to make the same mistakes. It was the darkest period in the history of the Germany Free People.

Socialism can work as an economic policy, but most certainly, not of the devil Nazi kind, which was an evil lie from the start.

Prove Hitler's economics did not work. Please. Apart from the craziness which follwed, the economics worked.

Volume One, Chapter 8: The Beginning of my Political Activity -- another short, fundamental chapter. Excerpt: Thus, the task of the state toward capital was comparatively simple and clear: it only had to make certain that capital remain the handmaiden of the state and not fancy itself the mistress of the nation. This point of view could then be defined between two restrictive limits: preservation of a solvent, national, and independent economy on the one hand, assurance of the social rights of the workers on the other. Previously I had been unable to recognize with the desired clarity the difference between this pure capital as the end result of productive labor and a capital whose existence and essence rests exclusively on speculation. For this I lacked the initial inspiration, which had simply not come my way. But now this was provided most amply by one of the various gentlemen lecturing in the above-mentioned course: Gottfried Feder. For the first time in my life I heard a principled discussion of international stock exchange and loan capital. Right after listening to Feder's first lecture, the thought ran through my head that I had now found the way to one of the most essential premises for the foundation of a new party. In my eyes Feder's merit consisted in having established with ruthless brutality the speculative and economic character of stock exchange and loan capital, and in having exposed its eternal and age-old presupposition which is interest. His arguments were so sound in all fundamental questions that their critics from the start questioned the theoretical correctness of the idea less than they doubted the practical possibility of its execution. As I listened to Gottfried Feder's first lecture about the 'breaking of interest slavery,' I knew at once that this was a theoretical truth which would inevitably be of immense importance for the future of the German people. The sharp separation of stock exchange capital from the national economy offered the possibility of opposing the internationalization of the German economy without at the same time menacing the foundations of an independent national self-maintenance by a struggle against all capital. The development of Germany was much too clear in my eyes for me not to know that the hardest battle would have to be fought, not against hostile nations, but against international capital.

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Thank you, OP for posting this.
I have tried to explain this to may people, about Adolf Hitler.
they just call me an anti-Semitist, Hitler loving, Holocaust denier. which I am not.
I'm just saying:
Hitler was a FANTASTIC leader. Had he not committed the Holocaust, he may have been hailed as the greatest leader in the world.
the way I like to phrase it is.
"What Hitler did may not have been good, but he was d*** good at what he did."

Originally posted by novemberecho
Thank you, OP for posting this.
I have tried to explain this to may people, about Adolf Hitler.
they just call me an anti-Semitist, Hitler loving, Holocaust denier. which I am not.
I'm just saying:
Hitler was a FANTASTIC leader. Had he not committed the Holocaust, he may have been hailed as the greatest leader in the world.
the way I like to phrase it is.
"What Hitler did may not have been good, but he was d*** good at what he did."

edit on 11-4-2012 by novemberecho because: (no reason given)

I was just thinking how cool it was that we really didnt get too many posters playing the anti-semetic card.

And yeah,I agree that Hitler was a fantastic leader in so many ways.

I really do not know where to start with this thread, interesting as it is. So, simply, lets cut straight to the chase. Hitler's economic "miracle" actively required aggressive foreign expansion (ie, empire building) in order to avoid economic implosion after several years.

That isn't a miracle whatever way you look at it - that is rampant imperialism

He was a talented leader, sure enough. He had the ability to hold the attention of his audience.
I wouldn't call him fantastic, though. That's too much.
His economic model was pretty much state guarantee of capital debt.
Huge state projects were financed by loans that he figured he'd pay off with the spoils of war.
A sort of jam tomorrow economy. (Well, blood tomorrow).

I read mein kampf years ago and it was plain to me then that he was a little nuts.
Like him or loathe him, he was a powerful figure in the history of the western world.

reply to post by Flavian

that is rampant imperialism

Based along racially defined lines. Creating more lebensraum for the Aryan race. Unfortunately some will try to ignore this as part of Nazi Economic plan.

Originally posted by Flavian
I really do not know where to start with this thread, interesting as it is. So, simply, lets cut straight to the chase. Hitler's economic "miracle" actively required aggressive foreign expansion (ie, empire building) in order to avoid economic implosion after several years.

That isn't a miracle whatever way you look at it - that is rampant imperialism

Just because it was overly aggressive and went far to far, doesn't make it any less sound.

If Hitler hadn't been so mental and done things a little differently...

Originally posted by Flavian
I really do not know where to start with this thread, interesting as it is. So, simply, lets cut straight to the chase. Hitler's economic "miracle" actively required aggressive foreign expansion (ie, empire building) in order to avoid economic implosion after several years.

That isn't a miracle whatever way you look at it - that is rampant imperialism

Its funny isnt it. But I like that he was more honest about it. I think more people would support America's military conquest's if only they could be honest about the motivation. Why cant they say "we are invading Iraq because if Saddam sells his oil in the euro we will all be screwed." I know I would appreciate it.

But I get what you are saying I thought the same thing but i decided 'Glory to Rome' aint that bad.


But you gotta admit that he did run things pretty well before he decided to reclaim lost land and expand.

reply to post by Garfee


possibly that or rather.

Had Hitler not been so indolent and impatient, we all might probably be speaking German reicht now.




haha..hah..hahaa.. puns... get it? reicht?

yeah..

Originally posted by SprocketUK
His economic model was pretty much state guarantee of capital debt.
Huge state projects were financed by loans that he figured he'd pay off with the spoils of war.
A sort of jam tomorrow economy. (Well, blood tomorrow).

I read mein kampf years ago and it was plain to me then that he was a little nuts.
Like him or loathe him, he was a powerful figure in the history of the western world.

edit on 11-4-2012 by SprocketUK because: (no reason given)

Exactly. And there comes a point where public works are no longer viable (because all the infrastructure has been built). When this happens, the only options left are huge scale unemployment and recession or invading other nations to steal their wealth...........................hang on a minute..............