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If the USA is a police state, what does that make North Korea?

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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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The difference is that North Korea has been brainwashed for generations-its a more traditional form of the police state,whereas the US is only just beginning its technological version of a police state in the last decade or so.

Give it a few more decades,and the US,if it carries on the same path will be as bad as,if not worse thean NK IMO.
So will Europe.




posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
 



I'm sorry that I'm a fool because I can't afford to leave the country........

And you forgot the part about if I over criticize then I become a threat, and according to LAW can be arrested, without DUE PROCESS, even though I was BORN HERE...

Whatever floats your boat though...


Really...you honestly believe that???

It's true...you aren't free...your paranoia and fear is enslaving you.

Sounds like you are full of excuses...but since you can't afford to leave the country right now...I must assume that you are doing everything in your power to save up that money to get out of this horrible police state....right??? When do you think you will be able to make your exodus...since this place is so horrible...I would think it is ASAP...right??? You do have a plan...don't you?


Make those ASSumptions all you want...

And while you're at it, read about NDAA and tell me where I misspoke...

Also tell me where I spoke of "fear"..

# man I swear....

Take a damn weekend trip through Atlanta, and see how often you pull up to a checkpoint where they check for valid licenses...

Get a couple of TSA pat downs... Whatever..

But don't try to sit up here and tell me that you believe this # is for our "safety".
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Make those ASSumptions all you want...

And while you're at it, read about NDAA and tell me where I misspoke...

Also tell me where I spoke of "fear"..

# man I swear....


So are you not planning your exit of this country???

Seems odd, if you think this is such a horrible place. It also seems like such a horrible police state wouldn't allow people to leave...and yet you are FREE to do so.


I've read all about the NDAA and have read the text myself...forgive me if I don't believe the ATS law scholars claiming everyone is going to be dissapeared.

You don't have to speak of "fear"...it is clear from your paranoia.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Hey, is that you with the Kalashnikov in your avatar?

I hope nothing more needs to be said about the irony here...



(even if it's not you and it's not even in America, you can still buy one in this so called police state)



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Klassified

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


That's exactly right. Thanks for posting that quote...so true and so fitting here!!! Wish I'd have found it. :/
Anyhoo, I don't know what is worse, the fact that we are being lied to and misled by the people we vote to put in their position of power or the fact that we idiots keep putting the same cookie-cutter oppressive politicians back in office? I think the latter.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
 



Make those ASSumptions all you want...

And while you're at it, read about NDAA and tell me where I misspoke...

Also tell me where I spoke of "fear"..

# man I swear....


So are you not planning your exit of this country???

Seems odd, if you think this is such a horrible place. It also seems like such a horrible police state wouldn't allow people to leave...and yet you are FREE to do so.


I've read all about the NDAA and have read the text myself...forgive me if I don't believe the ATS law scholars claiming everyone is going to be dissapeared.

You don't have to speak of "fear"...it is clear from your paranoia.


Damn I didn't know Ron Paul was an "ATS law scholar."
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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I actually really like that rationalization.

To take it further, a broken toe can be fixed easier than a broken pelvis.

It's not too late!



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Damn I didn't know Ron Paul was an "ATS law scholar."


No, Ron Paul is just a crazy old man who has accomplished nothing in his political career and who believes in centuries old philosophy.

But go ahead...listen to the man that has done nothing and lives in the past.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
 



Damn I didn't know Ron Paul was an "ATS law scholar."


No, Ron Paul is just a crazy old man who has accomplished nothing in his political career and who believes in centuries old philosophy.

But go ahead...listen to the man that has done nothing and lives in the past.




you gotta be kidding me!!

Who should I listen to? The man who signed it????



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Maybe you should read it for yourself and be aware that no one has dissapeared since that evil day that the NDAA was signed (re-signed).


Why are you dodging the question about your plans to escape this horrible police state? When do you think you will be able to dare your escape, dodging the border police that are keeping all of us in this prison???

And if you have no plans for leaving this country...why not?



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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If the USA is a police state, what does that make North Korea?


A police state without delusional democracy.
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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I'm sorry that I'm a fool because I can't afford to leave the country........


And where would you go where you would be more free?

Sweden?
The Netherlands?
Norway?
Some other far more socialist nation than ours?

Somalia?
Paraguay?
Peru?

Hong Kong?
Taiwan?
Singapore?



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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US:
- Media propaganda : yes
- Media censorship: yes
- Indefinite imprisonment without trial: yes
- People dying so they could feed family: yes
- Forced working camps: no (but in other hand you have prison business going on)
- Nuclear weapons: yes
- Mass food starvation: no (but on other hand you have a lot of population on food stamps and a lot of people on junk food that gets them sick in one way or another)
- Crazy leader attacking other countries: yes
- Free travel (movement of population): yes (but you got TSA like a bonus)

North Korea
- Media propaganda : yes
- Media censorship: yes
- Indefinite imprisonment without trial: yes
- People dying so they could feed family: yes
- Working camps: yes
- Nuclear weapons: pending
- Mass food starvation: yes
- Crazy leader attacking other countries: pending
- Free travel (movement of population): no

I would rather live in the USA but when you put it "black on white" like the above it isn't so big difference. One big, big minus for US is going into wars every few years ( its modern day colonization in progress if you ask me). On other hand you are right when you say you can always come on internet and whine about it but remember that someone just might be reading it.

These countries have big cultural differences and things that are normal in the USA would be considered illegal / crazy / illogical in North Korea. It works other way too. I would say that there is firm dictatorship in both countries but at least its "hidden" in the USA.

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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
Firstly, before the flames I will admit that things are beginning to reach a level of ridiculousness in the US, BUT there are an awful lot of countries out there that make the USA look great in comparison.

Reckon you got it bad because you had to get patted down at the game? Yeah, it sucks but at least you can have a whine about it to your friends online and be left alone.

I mean hell, are you forced to grieve when a head of state dies? Have you been forced to hand over your semi automatic gun because the government said so? Do you get persecuted by the government for speaking your mind? For being gay? For having a different religion?

You don't know how easy you have it, hell I probably don't know how easy I have it and my government does not recognize free speech and has taken our guns off of us.

So...hands up who want to go live In North Korea or Zimbabwe or some other oppressed third world county...


No one.....?



Yeah you're right we're not to the point of a North Korean police state so we should just wait till we reach that point till we complain and seek to stop it... Oh wait if we reach that point we will not be able to complain... Brilliant...



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Doesn't it strike any of these "conservatives" on here that they are going against their own ideology when they cheer on recent legislation that curtails rights and freedoms by the government. The very same government that "conservatives" want out of our lives?

And yes......stating that the recent grab of freedoms isn't as bad as North Korea so we should just shut up about it or move is cheering it on in my book.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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To answer the OP's question, it's the same, only different!



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
 



Damn I didn't know Ron Paul was an "ATS law scholar."


No, Ron Paul is just a crazy old man who has accomplished nothing in his political career and who believes in centuries old philosophy.

But go ahead...listen to the man that has done nothing and lives in the past.


Yea as opposed to people (you) who believe in the (also centuries old) french ideology of liberalism vs conservatism, and that what we have here in this country could even be defined as liberal at all.
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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship, something that the states hasn't degraded to quite yet, but an argument could me made for the US being an inverted totalitarian state (fascist), in which policy is dictated by corporate interests. In NK it is the opposite, as economic interests are determined by the state.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship, that uses police state tactics. The US is supposed to be a Republic (though its arguable that its become a Oligarchy rather then a Democracy), which is slowly turning to police state tactics.

I am guessing that your misunderstanding is that a “police state” is not a form of government, and can exist under any form of government. A police state can exist anywhere the peoples rights are stripped (or are being stripped) away, and a system of harsh enforcement is being used for control.



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