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Pell says Adam and Eve didn't exist

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posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Actually the Probability is 100% since it exists. You have no line of logic to your arguement. If something exists and has evolved from Favorable Conditions...a Planet in the Goldilocks Zone...that...is of a Rocky Nature and is of sufficient mass due to a collision Billions of years ago with another Planet that not only brought it to a sufficient mass for it to continue orbiting the Sun for Billions of Years but also Super Heating the Planetary Core to allow it to continue to be Geothermally Active for Billions of Years thus allowing for this Planet to have a Molten Metalic Spinning Core which is what creates our planets Electromagnetic Field...which without the Suns Radiation as well as all sorts of Cosmic Radiation would boil off any water...as was the case with Mars....and if Earths Electromagnetic field ever failed due to the Earths molten Metalic Core cooling thus ceasing to spin...all life on Earth would be dead very shortly after.

Nothing that exists on Earth...whether it be water...collected by Massive and Numerous Cometary Bombardment...or Mountains and Continents...created by Tectonic Plate Movements...or the Evolution of Life...created from Matters never ending ability to arrange itself into longer and more complex Molecular Chains...JUST APPEARED FROM NOWHERE! It took Billions of Years for things to be as they are and this includes HEMOGLOBIN and at what arrangement and specific quantities and...etc...etc...etc..

Your Logic is akin to saying....do you know what the probability is that Matter arranged itself by Supernova into the Element GOLD? Answer....100% PROBABILITY! Split Infinity




posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Actually the Probability is 100% since it exists. You have no line of logic to your arguement. If something exists and has evolved from Favorable Conditions...a Planet in the Goldilocks Zone...that...is of a Rocky Nature and is of sufficient mass due to a collision Billions of years ago with another Planet that not only brought it to a sufficient mass for it to continue orbiting the Sun for Billions of Years but also Super Heating the Planetary Core to allow it to continue to be Geothermally Active for Billions of Years thus allowing for this Planet to have a Molten Metalic Spinning Core which is what creates our planets Electromagnetic Field...which without the Suns Radiation as well as all sorts of Cosmic Radiation would boil off any water...as was the case with Mars....and if Earths Electromagnetic field ever failed due to the Earths molten Metalic Core cooling thus ceasing to spin...all life on Earth would be dead very shortly after.

Nothing that exists on Earth...whether it be water...collected by Massive and Numerous Cometary Bombardment...or Mountains and Continents...created by Tectonic Plate Movements...or the Evolution of Life...created from Matters never ending ability to arrange itself into longer and more complex Molecular Chains...JUST APPEARED FROM NOWHERE! It took Billions of Years for things to be as they are and this includes HEMOGLOBIN and at what arrangement and specific quantities and...etc...etc...etc..

Your Logic is akin to saying....do you know what the probability is that Matter arranged itself by Supernova into the Element GOLD? Answer....100% PROBABILITY! Split Infinity
I can't understand why you don't see this as special.

If you were to play a texas hold em tournament in a casino, and one of your opponents got 50 royal flushes in a row, would you say, "do you know what the probability is that my opponent got 50 royal flushes in a row Answer....100% PROBABILITY!?"

The crazy thing is, what you described is akin to something much more rare than 50 royal flushes in a row. On top of that, it would be like 50 royal flushes in a row only happens once every billion years, but you just happen to be there to see it.

Pretending that we somehow live in a universe system where anything that can happen will happen is utter craziness to me. If this is the case, there has to be an alternate universe where the words I just typed are on a beach somewhere out in the Pacific. The sand just happenned to be blown in that design.

We can't keep pretending, if we think it up, it's possible.

If you found arrowheads out in a field, you aren't going to say, "This is caused by erosion, or some such nonsense." You would say, "Look this thing looks designed, earlier civilizations probably used these as tools."

We can infer design in science, we do it all of the time.

You say all of these special circumstances are there, because there was enough time to allow these special circumstances to happen. I say these special circumstances are there, because an intelligence arranged these special circumstances. Either way, we are both stating something neither of us could possibly know, with the current global knowledge base.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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You are Proven Wrong by basic Logic. You make the assumption that an Intelligence or Entity of Great Power and Knowledge CREATED US as is written in the Bible...Adam and Eve....Earth Created in 6 Days....the Earth is only...what? I forget 4 or 5 thousand years old?

This is what this Topic is about...whether there was an ADAM and EVE in the way the Bible describes them as the First two HUMANS. All of these statements can be conclusively proved FALSE! This is not an attack on the Good Natured Lessons of the Bible....this is just a statement to the Fact that there is 100% undeniable FACTS that prove HOMOSAPIENS EVOLVED FROM CRO MAGNONS...and with a little interbreading with Neanderthals.

And since even HOMOSAPIEN remains have been Carbon Dated to ancient times well far back of the age described of the Earth in the Bible. Remains of HOMOSAPIENS have been Carbon dated as far back as 30,000 years...many have been dated between 20,000 and 27,000 years ago. Carbon Dating is a technique based on the Radioactive Decay of Carbon 14 an Isotopes of Carbon. This decay is a LAW OF PHYSICS and cannot be disputed.

It is also...a FACT...that it is IMPOSSIBLE for only two people...one male one female to be able to have enough Genetic Diversity to Populate this Planet. After a few Generations of Inbreeding Brothers and Sisters....they would become STERILE and BIRTH DEFECTS AND MISCARIDGES would present themselves.

As I have said several times...Adam and Eve is a nice STORY. But that is all it is...a STORY. Split Infinity



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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I can't understand why you don't see this as special.


Here is the probability for hemoglobin to have evolved by natural processes at 10^300:


Winning the Powerball lottery 90 straight days in a row by chance.


Okay, sure, I suppose that's possible.
That's why microbiologists jumped off the sinking ship of Darwin when DNA and RNA were discovered and Evolutionists redefined their terms virtually overnight.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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It is also...a FACT...that it is IMPOSSIBLE for only two people...one male one female to be able to have enough Genetic Diversity to Populate this Planet. After a few Generations of Inbreeding Brothers and Sisters....they would become STERILE and BIRTH DEFECTS AND MISCARIDGES would present themselves.


Fail. God wouldn't have created humans with genetic defects in the genome, they would have had pure DNA strands. Mutations are the result of thousands of years of genome Entropy. The genome is deteriorating, not evolving more complex.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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What proof do you have of that?

Are white people more degraded??? is that why my skin is white? Or maybe bacteria used to be really big... but the entropy shrank them and soon they will all be gone?

sounds really stupid.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Why do you think those that do scoff at you, do so?


No need to postulate, I already know why. But I'm touched you're so concerned for my emotional well-being like you are.


Could it be that you have displayed a complete lack of common sense?


Not complete, I logged into the website to type this didn't I?


Edit: It seems such behavior is acceptable in adults, only in the religious and in climate change science.


Christ died for you also, God bless.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
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What proof do you have of that?

Are white people more degraded??? is that why my skin is white? Or maybe bacteria used to be really big... but the entropy shrank them and soon they will all be gone?

sounds really stupid.


Same thing folks said to Einstein and Plato. It was a problem of comprehension, not presentation.



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Again...You present a statement that has no logical basis or possibility of Fact. Proof? If we all decended from Adam and Eve...which is impossible...we would all have the same inter-family Blood Test Results...such as a simple Blood Test can determine if a Man or Woman is the Father or Mother of a Baby.

The reality is that interbreeding of Brothers and Sisters will create Sterility and Birth Defects...this is why you have to take a Blood Test before you can get Married! And why you cannot marry certain Cousins or Aunts and Uncles.

Also...in the Biblical Description and statements of where the Garden of Eden was located....their were NO APPLES. They do not grow in that area. A Pomegranate was the proper translation of the ancient text.

Split Infinity



posted on Apr, 19 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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The Bible doesn't say "apple". Don't even ask me to get into the Hebrew.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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You have to understand...I am not trying to belittle your Faith or Religion...but this is a Topic on a Discussion board. I stick to Facts. If I make a mistake...I will acknowledge that mistake if proven wrong. But you have to provide some proof of your statements other than....it says so in the Book.

I think that Religion...if not taken in an Evangelical Way...and if the person of Faith has respect for others of differing opinions and beliefs or people who can present Logic or Proven Experimentation that can be reproduced every time...and this Person of Faith can acknowledge that there are facts that may contradict what may be written in what ever religions text or Books....is a good thing for some people and if it gives them comfort or Joy...more power to them.

But if a Person of Faith...puts on Blinders like a Horse on a street as so to not frighten the animal and keep them heading in one direction oblivious to what the reality is to the left and to the right...then they are doing themselves a disservice by ignoring those realities.

I have heard many people say that they don't like to acknowledge certain Realities because they don't want to loose their Faith. Yet...what does that say about the persons Faith that by getting a better understanding of Facts and Reality can so easily tear down that Faith?

I believe in a persons Freedom of Religion and I will never on purpose try to disuade them from their Belief in GOD...but at the same time...I do not appreciate people coming to my door trying to inform me that if I do not believe as they do...I won't go to Heaven if there is one or Hell which I do not believe in at all.

So here on a discusion board...I will state what I know are provable facts. Split Infinity



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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You are Proven Wrong by basic Logic. You make the assumption that an Intelligence or Entity of Great Power and Knowledge CREATED US as is written in the Bible...Adam and Eve....Earth Created in 6 Days....the Earth is only...what? I forget 4 or 5 thousand years old?

This is what this Topic is about...whether there was an ADAM and EVE in the way the Bible describes them as the First two HUMANS. All of these statements can be conclusively proved FALSE! This is not an attack on the Good Natured Lessons of the Bible....this is just a statement to the Fact that there is 100% undeniable FACTS that prove HOMOSAPIENS EVOLVED FROM CRO MAGNONS...and with a little interbreading with Neanderthals.

And since even HOMOSAPIEN remains have been Carbon Dated to ancient times well far back of the age described of the Earth in the Bible. Remains of HOMOSAPIENS have been Carbon dated as far back as 30,000 years...many have been dated between 20,000 and 27,000 years ago. Carbon Dating is a technique based on the Radioactive Decay of Carbon 14 an Isotopes of Carbon. This decay is a LAW OF PHYSICS and cannot be disputed.

It is also...a FACT...that it is IMPOSSIBLE for only two people...one male one female to be able to have enough Genetic Diversity to Populate this Planet.
Stating that the human population coming from a few thousand people, as a fact, is a lie. We don't scientifically know yet. Just because it's settled in your mind doesn't make it so.

Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are of a single man and single woman. Scientists will say it doesn't matter because there were many Adam and Eve's. The problem with that is they are telling us we can only trace everyone on Earth so far. That means we don't know if there was an original couple.


After a few Generations of Inbreeding Brothers and Sisters....they would become STERILE and BIRTH DEFECTS AND MISCARIDGES would present themselves.

As I have said several times...Adam and Eve is a nice STORY. But that is all it is...a STORY. Split Infinity
That doesn't make sense.
Just a couple of things;
1. Adam and Eve would have been the first. Why would their genes cause sterilization, birth defects, and miscarriages?
2. Not all the descendants would have had sterilization, birth defects, and miscarriages. Eventually a population is gonna break through regardless. The miscarriages you won't see. The sterilized won't procreate and not all of the others would have birth defects. After you got past the 3rd or 4th generation they would be far enough removed that it wouldn't even be a factor anymore. That's if you totally discount what I said in #1.
3. The Bible tells us Adam and Eve were perfect before the fall. It wasn't until after the fall did death enter us. That includes our DNA.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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puts on Blinders like a Horse on a street as so to not frighten the animal and keep them heading in one direction oblivious to what the reality is to the left and to the right...then they are doing themselves a disservice by ignoring those realities.


I'm so tired of reading this garbage. It's the epitome of irony. I honestly wonder if Anthony Flew's colleagues said the same thing to him when he switched teams.

Why do you guys always think we come out of our mother's wombs with a rosary in one hand and a Bible in the other??? MOST all of us came to faith late in life, we've already lived for years on your current side of the fence!!! We came to not enjoy the stench and the view and moved.

Understand that!! None of you are telling us anything whatsoever we didn't once believe ourselves and now reject. Look at the quote carefully in my signature, try it out sometime, you might change your mind too. I'm not the "close-minded" one here, the guys I'm arguing with haven't spent years researching the arguments from Creationists.

You actually have to be open-minded enough to hear out their entire arguments, not just claim on paper how open-minded you are, it takes action to make it so.


edit on 20-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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In the end, it's you personal BELIEF...and not fact...at least until you provide us with objective evidence, which so far you clearly haven't


I have no problem with personal beliefs...only with people pretending their belief is fact, even though it's not backed up by real evidence. Even worse if those same people attack proven scientific theories showing off how little they know about those theories in the first place.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are of a single man and single woman.


Mitochondrial Adam and Eve didn't even live around the same time



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are of a single man and single woman.


Mitochondrial Adam and Eve didn't even live around the same time

That's just the current understanding that we have right now. There are different bottlenecks but that doesn't mean there was not an original 2.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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In the end, it's you personal BELIEF...and not fact...at least until you provide us with objective evidence, which so far you clearly haven't.


Since you pointed out my faith is a "personal belief", let me ask why then I need to provide any of you with objective evidence? Christianity isn't Sharia Islam, we won't cut your head off for refusing to convert. it's your issue to believe or not to believe, whatever choice you make is fine, run with it, no one is stopping you.


I have no problem with personal beliefs...only with people pretending their belief is fact.


It is a fact in my faith, they are inseparable, so you do have a problem with it.


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posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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I can't understand why you don't see this as special.


Here is the probability for hemoglobin to have evolved by natural processes at 10^300:


Winning the Powerball lottery 90 straight days in a row by chance.


Okay, sure, I suppose that's possible.
That's why microbiologists jumped off the sinking ship of Darwin when DNA and RNA were discovered and Evolutionists redefined their terms virtually overnight.



You're pulling that 10^300 out of your ass


You've already been linked to articles that explain how hemoglobin evolved...I guess you mistakenly (:lol
overlooked them.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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In the end, it's you personal BELIEF...and not fact...at least until you provide us with objective evidence, which so far you clearly haven't.


Since you pointed out my faith is a "personal belief", let me ask why then I need to provide any of you with objective evidence? Christianity isn't Sharia Islam, we won't cut your head off for refusing to convert. it's your issue to believe or not to believe, whatever choice you make is fine, run with it, no one is stopping you.


I have no problem with personal beliefs...only with people pretending their belief is fact.


It is a fact in my faith, they are inseparable, so you do have a problem with it.


edit on 20-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)


You don't have to provide us with evidence...it would just give your posts more credibility


And just fyi, the large majority of Muslims won't cut off your head if you don't convert...just like he large majority of Christians eat bacon/shrimps and mix the material of their clothes. Why? Because they don't take it literally, because whether it's the Koran or the Bible, taking them literally is nuts. So please...keep your religious bigotry for yourself


And you can pretend your faith is fact all you want, but you can't expect others to throw logic overboard.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are of a single man and single woman.


Mitochondrial Adam and Eve didn't even live around the same time

That's just the current understanding that we have right now. There are different bottlenecks but that doesn't mean there was not an original 2.


No...that's exactly what it means. If Eve is made of Adam (which the bible claims), then all offspring would have genetic defects...unless of course you pretend "magic fixed that problem". But if you do that, you also have to believe in gods with elephant heads and the earth floating on the backs of a crocodile that floats in a lilly pond. Why? Because those people have just as much (or little) evidence as you. Your belief isn't any more credible than theirs.



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