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I must say however that though the bible is full of wisdom it does not rely all The Creator who you call God is nor all of who Jesus is -
I believe it to be messed with and much truth is left out -
These are my views - my own views - Peace
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by randyvs
Did you mean to reply to me? Or were you replying to the thread itself? I hate the catholic church by the way......
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by artistpoet
I must say however that though the bible is full of wisdom it does not rely all The Creator who you call God is nor all of who Jesus is -
I agree shocking enough:
JOHN 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should BE WRITTEN every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should BE WRITTEN. Amen."
The Bible is however what God gave us on earth in order to KNOW Him. It is all we have, and all you are allowed while on earth. We will learn MUCH MORE once we get to Heaven. (1 Cor 13:12)
But you can only get to Heaven by believing that Jesus IS GOD and died in your place. Rose from the Grave. And is waiting for you to call on Him and trust in His perfect life He lived and the blood He shed for you as your ticket into Heaven. Nothing else will do...In GOD Himself''s humble opinion. (John 3:36)
I believe it to be messed with and much truth is left out -
Why? My turn for questions. Bet I can prove you wrong.
These are my views - my own views - Peace
No offense.....but you think your own self conceived (as admitted) views are better than the last 4,500 plus years of Biblical history and a few billion Christians over this time? Pretty brave of you, no?edit on 14-4-2012 by KJV1611 because: i can
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by artistpoet
ok, thanks for the time. But always remember....the devil knows more scripture than anyone else on earth....and there have been many people who died and went to Hell quoting Bible scripture on their death bed
It isn't what you believe the Bible verses teach.....it is what the Bible SAYS that actually matters. And what PAUL says, should be your number one concern. Jesus Christ's saying come second to Paul believe it or not. (for gentiles in this age at least)
1 CORINTHIANS 14:37
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD."
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Garfee
Now we are just arguing semantics care bear. What? I shouldn't trust men of old who wrote a old Book......yet you trust modern men who write books about looking within yourself and the good will of man? (Freud, Darwin, Kant etc.) Is there a difference? Both are based on faith,
Yes, I have one. I find it amusing that you believe everyone else to be blind when you blindly believe the words of men written and catalogued in a 'bible' to be the words of god itself and even use it as proof of it's existence.
Silly billy!
You blindly believe someone in your life who told you to "look within" for something. Not sure what you are looking for.....you might want to visit your Gynecologist again while you are looking within yourself.....
Hyprocisy.
Originally posted by pigsy2400
and so come out all the crazy religious people, I am spirtiual, I believe in a higher being etc, but I dont harass and push it in other peoples faces!
This thread is just bringing out all the crazies out of the woodwork now.
The problem as with all things in life is choice!
Choose to believe, choose not to,...whatever,.its your choice!!!
Adam & Eve would have existed at some point, of course they would have done, but so long ago in Darwins world, that they likely scribed on cave walls, rather than danced around a magical garden eating apples!!
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Although I do not disparage people of any belief system that creates no harm...this is a simple fact....2 people...one Man and One Woman do not have the necessary Genetic diversity to populate the Planet. After a few generations of interbreading the children would become STERILE and various Birth Defects would present themselves.
Now Adam and Eve is a nice STORY and has it's purpose in teaching a concept or moral...but it was not EVER a reality. This cannot be challenged as the Human Genome Mapping Project has mapped our origins all the way back to the first Single Celled Organism that all life came from.
Evolution is a FACT. If you want to say GOD created the Universe or Multiverse and everything within by the process of EVOLUTION...I have no issue with that. Split Infinity
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by Damrod
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by jiggerj
Thankfully you're personal distaste for obese people doesn't trump physics.
Must I do everything for you? Do the math bro:
459x75x44 feet
V =1.54 million m^3
You need the formulas too?
When I said I cringed while watching a 300 pound person climbing stairs I meant I feared them falling through the stairs. How awful a suggestion of one who believes in an all-loving god.
No, I don't need the math. Over 450 ft. long (we're talking 1 and a 1/2 football fields) and made of gopher wood, with 1600 tons of animal, and can you say, MAYDAY MAYDAY WE'RE GOIN' DOWN!
Yeah bro, you need the math. You don't even know how long a football field is, it's 360 feet. You just invalidated your own assumption.
You talk a big game, well put your money where your mouth is. I'm challenging you to do some simple math, that is if you are capable.
Actually, gopher wood is as strong a wood as cedar and pine. It's a fantastic construction material, it floats bro What do you think people built ships before steel?
No it's not....it's 300 feet goal line to goal line...the end zones do not count....OMG get a clue and try to watch real sports occasionally instead of pretending you are a"one of the tough boys"...when you obviously...are not.....fail. No one like a pretend sports fan.....it stinks....
LOL Thanks for that response, Damrod. I didn't want to bother because this is what the religious do when logic gets in the way of thier belief. They completely derail the topic. I can see Nemo sitting at his computer and yelling proudly, "HA! I just proved the ark can float because a football field is 360 feet!" LOLOLOL
Logic? You clowns are arguing the semantics of a football field. You're the only person here trying to circumvent the truth. I asked you to do one thing, since you are so vehemently against the possibility that Noah built an ark that could hold two of every animal. Do the math yourself and don't quote somebody else, yet you aren't replying. It's because you know i'm right, but this is what naysayers do when confronted with solid figures and reason.
I'm surrounded by engineers and architects almost every day and training to be a civil engineer for the department of transportation. I'm taking a class on construction materials and structural engineering, so if the Ark was not feasible I would tell you. I have a professor who helped design the IMF headquaters, she would tell you the same. Put up some solid evidence or shut up you fool. I shouldn't even expect a direct response from you, you'll probably wait for somebody else to counter me.
Construction:
The Ark as described in the above quote from Genesis 6 is a huge boat made of wood, which is not exactly prime shipbuilding material. Considering that the largest known wooden boats are 300 feet long, have to be reinforced with iron straps, and require constant pumping, and that neither pumps nor iron were available to Noah, the Ark wouldn't be very seaworthy.
library.thinkquest.org...
If you believe the ark to be seaworthy when simple common sense tells you it can't survive a massive flooding storm, then PLEASE stay away from the Dept. of Transportation. You'll just screw things up and cost lives. Jeez!
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Although I do not disparage people of any belief system that creates no harm...this is a simple fact....2 people...one Man and One Woman do not have the necessary Genetic diversity to populate the Planet. After a few generations of interbreading the children would become STERILE and various Birth Defects would present themselves.
Now Adam and Eve is a nice STORY and has it's purpose in teaching a concept or moral...but it was not EVER a reality. This cannot be challenged as the Human Genome Mapping Project has mapped our origins all the way back to the first Single Celled Organism that all life came from.
Evolution is a FACT. If you want to say GOD created the Universe or Multiverse and everything within by the process of EVOLUTION...I have no issue with that. Split Infinity
So there were more than one Adam and Eve? Did they evolve in 2 seperate lines, at 2 seperate times? How could that be?
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by addygrace
You look at Humanity as if we started as a small group or two of Homosapiens.....EVOLUTION BABY! Split Infinity
Originally posted by addygrace
So there were more than one Adam and Eve? Did they evolve in 2 seperate lines, at 2 seperate times? How could that be?
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by addygrace
You look at Humanity as if we started as a small group or two of Homosapiens.....EVOLUTION BABY! Split Infinity
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by randyvs
Did you mean to reply to me? Or were you replying to the thread itself? I hate the catholic church by the way......
Originally posted by addygrace
reply to post by SplitInfinity
I liked your story but it doesn't answer my question. My question is simple. How did modern man come about? Did it start with 50,000 people? Did it start with 8 people? If not Adam and Eve, then what?